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I cut a thin slice from a spherical apple, cutting along a plane.

Thin slice cut from apple

Then I realized, there is an "e" in apple.

Why is there an "e" in apple?

Hint:

It doesn't have to be an apple. It just has to be a spherical solid object from which a thin slice can be cut. An apple is a good choice because it has two colors (red and yellow), making the explanation a bit easier.

OK, time to drop another hint:

Consider the four quantities:

r = red surface area of the small piece
y = yellow surface area of the small piece
R = red surface area of the big piece
Y = yellow surface area of the big piece

Find a limit expression with these four quantities that equals Euler's number, e.

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  • $\begingroup$ How thin of a slice are we taking here? Super thin? $\endgroup$
    Ben
    –  Ben
    2025-10-11 23:26:19 +00:00
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  • $\begingroup$ @Ben "Super thin?" Yes, you could say that. $\endgroup$
    Dan
    –  Dan
    2025-10-11 23:29:42 +00:00
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    $\begingroup$ I'm not sure of this, but in case it helps anyone, could this possibly be related to the ratio of rot13(Fhesnpr nern naq gur ibyhzr bs n fcurevpny pnc?) $\endgroup$
    Prim3numbah
    –  Prim3numbah
    2025-10-12 11:52:01 +00:00
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    $\begingroup$ @FirstNameLastName The edit is OK, but not essential for the puzzle to work. But I think I will remove it in my next edit (in which I will provide another hint), because it might lead people down the wrong path. $\endgroup$
    Dan
    –  Dan
    2025-10-12 22:50:17 +00:00
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    $\begingroup$ @FirstNameLastName in general, clarifications should not remain in comments - either they should be edited in to the question, or if the comments are irrelevant then they can be deleted. We do not want people to be digging through comments for hints. Puzzles are supposed to be self-contained. $\endgroup$
    bobble
    –  bobble
    2025-10-12 22:51:03 +00:00
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I had the following idea but it felt a bit vague. But after seeing the second hint, seems like this could be the intended answer.

The area of the red part of the thin slice is 2πrh and that of the yellow part is 2πrh(1-h/2r). Here r is the radius of the sphere and h is the thickness of the slice (i.e., r minus the distance of the plane from the centre of the sphere). The total surface area of the sphere is 4πr2. The ratio of the first two areas is 1/(1-h/2r), whereas the ratio of the third and the first areas is 2r/h. Take the first ratio to the power of the second ratio and take the limit h/r to 0 (thinner and thinner slice). This yields e.

I was wondering if there’s a better (geometric or perhaps probabilistic) motivation for taking the power of ratios in the last step, but I don’t have one yet.

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    $\begingroup$ @FirstNameLastName. I was wondering the same thing, but couldn't make it work. $\endgroup$
    Pranay
    –  Pranay
    2025-10-12 23:32:51 +00:00
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    $\begingroup$ @Dan. In your notation, what I mean is $\lim_{r/R \to 0} (r/y)^{(R+r)/r} = e$. But yours works as well because $R/r \approx R/y$ in the limit and $y=Y$. (I don't know why you have to define $y$ and $Y$ separately since they are the same.) $\endgroup$
    Pranay
    –  Pranay
    2025-10-12 23:34:54 +00:00
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    $\begingroup$ @Pranay Yes, y and Y are equal. I give it two names, for a purely aesthetic reason: the limit expression is conceptually more symmetrical. $\endgroup$
    Dan
    –  Dan
    2025-10-13 00:10:11 +00:00
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    $\begingroup$ @Pranay By the way, I wonder why you felt this solution was vague? If we think about it like $\lim\limits_{r/R\to 0}\left(\frac{r}{y}\right)^\frac{R}{Y}=e$, it is clear (to me at least) that this shows that $e$ is found in a ball. $\endgroup$
    Dan
    –  Dan
    2025-10-13 00:12:53 +00:00
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    $\begingroup$ @Dan. As I said at the end of my answer, I was trying to see if this limit is an answer to a geometric or probabilistic question. Without such motivation, just writing this expression seems a bit vague to me. $\endgroup$
    Pranay
    –  Pranay
    2025-10-13 00:28:58 +00:00
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There is an "e" (or its Greek form "ε"). As you mentioned and reaffirmed in a comment, the slice is "super thin." In math, epsilon can refer to a small, arbitrary number. Thus, being a super thin slice, in a way, the "e" stands for "ε."

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    $\begingroup$ Not quite. What is e in mathematics? $\endgroup$
    Dan
    –  Dan
    2025-10-12 04:26:14 +00:00
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    $\begingroup$ Your answer does not consider that it has to be a spherical solid object. $\endgroup$
    infinitezero
    –  infinitezero
    2025-10-12 06:55:22 +00:00
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Here is my answer (essentially the same as @Pranay's answer).

The moral of the story is that e is hidden in every ball.

Thin slice cut from apple

Taking OP's hint, we consider the four quantities:

$r=$ red surface area of the small piece
$y=$ yellow surface area of the small piece
$R=$ red surface area of the big piece
$Y=$ yellow surface area of the big piece

We will show that the following limit (note the elegant structure) equals $e$: $$L=\lim\limits_{r/R\to 0}\left(\frac{r}{y}\right)^\frac{R}{Y}$$
Assume the radius of the sphere is $1$.
Let $t$ be the thickness of the slice. Archimedes tells us $r=2\pi t$.
Let $a=\sqrt{1-(1-t)^2}=\sqrt{2t-t^2}$ be the radius of the yellow disks.

$L=\lim\limits_{r/R\to 0}\left(\frac{r}{y}\right)^\frac{R}{Y}$
$=\lim\limits_{t\to 0}\left(\frac{2\pi t}{\pi a^2}\right)^\frac{4\pi-r}{\pi a^2}$
$=\lim\limits_{t\to 0}\left(\frac{2}{2-t}\right)^{\frac{4-2t}{2t-t^2}}$
$=\lim\limits_{t\to 0}\left(\frac{2}{2-t}\right)^{\frac{2}{t}}$
$\overset{t=-\frac{2}{n}}{=}\lim\limits_{n\to \infty}\left(\frac{2}{2+\frac{2}{n}}\right)^{-n}$
$=\lim\limits_{n\to \infty}\left(1+\frac{1}{n}\right)^n$
$=\boxed{e}$

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    $\begingroup$ Is there any geometric motivation to take the power there? $\endgroup$
    justhalf
    –  justhalf
    2025-10-13 05:18:47 +00:00
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    $\begingroup$ Geometric motivation as in, that quantity represents a geometric object, like "it means the ratio between the distance of center to the intersection of this and that line and the line segment created by this and that points" $\endgroup$
    justhalf
    –  justhalf
    2025-10-13 08:59:23 +00:00
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    $\begingroup$ No worries, glad to have this conversation! I think you also noticed that I am not the only one who ask this question too. For geometric objects, typically if the quantity can be drawn, or something more "intuitive" to take a mathematical operator for. In this case, for example, the ratio r/y seems fine and interesting. But to have that power is the weird part. It feels like "I have this edge length A. I also have this edge length B. Then suddenly I switch field from geometry to algebra and then do A to the power of B. A being an edge length feels irrelevant at that last step. $\endgroup$
    justhalf
    –  justhalf
    2025-10-13 10:49:46 +00:00
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    $\begingroup$ @justhalf Thanks for the feedback, I sincerely appreciate it. I can't draw the "ratio to the power of ratio", so in that sense I would say it's not a geometric object. But if we calculate the analogous expression (ratio to the power of ratio) for a disk, it diverges. If we use a non-spherical ellipsoid (taking the slice from the end of an axis), the expression either goes to zero or diverges. So my question here reveals a special property of a sphere/ball. I think it's interesting, and the downvotes haven't convinced me otherwise :) $\endgroup$
    Dan
    –  Dan
    2025-10-13 11:42:12 +00:00
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    $\begingroup$ Ah, got it. That's an interesting observation! Lots of other stuff also works specifically in the third dimension but not others, nice to add this to the list! (I didn't downvote) $\endgroup$
    justhalf
    –  justhalf
    2025-10-13 12:48:16 +00:00
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I doubt this is the answer that you're looking for, but here's my stab in the dark. It's a "topological" take on the question.

"e" stands for edge. The uncut apple is a sphere, a manifold without a boundary. After the cut, the surface of the apple now has an edge.

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    $\begingroup$ Not quite. What is the most common meaning of e in mathematics? $\endgroup$
    Dan
    –  Dan
    2025-10-12 11:46:31 +00:00
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  • $\begingroup$ Is it Euler's constant 2.71828...? I thought about it, but cannot think of any way how e can related to this. (pi, sure, but not e). $\endgroup$
    Aqualone
    –  Aqualone
    2025-10-12 19:23:59 +00:00
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  • $\begingroup$ Does the solution to this puzzle involve some calculation or require knowledge of geometry and/or calculus? Or is it a more traditional logic or wordplay puzzle? $\endgroup$
    Aqualone
    –  Aqualone
    2025-10-12 19:24:58 +00:00
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