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January 25

Large links for "edit" on a section

Why are the edit links on each of the sections of Geytin so much larger than on most articles (One-man_operation to pick one example) ? RudolfRed (talk) 01:53, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: It seems that there was something dodgy going on with the server that last parsed it from source into cached article. A quick WP:PURGE fixed it for me. Murph9000 (talk) 01:56, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! RudolfRed (talk) 01:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Re information on start a page for prominent organization

I would like to know how to create a page for a prominent chamber of commerce — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.3.207 (talk) 02:04, 25 January 2016‎ (UTC)

A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.

Thank you.

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is available to walk you through creating an article, but you will need to create an account to use it. if you don't wish to do so, you can submit a proposal for an article at Articles for Creation.

Murph9000 (talk) 02:07, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, anonymous user. I would like to give you some advice which may avoid frustration later on. Please let go of thinking about "a page for" the organisation, and think instead of "an article about" the organisation. Many people come to Wikipedia basically wanting to tell the world about their organisation, because it "ought to have a page", or because "it has no presence on Wikipedia". That motivation is called promotion here, and is not permitted on Wikipedia. If the chamber of commerce has been "noted" - written about, at length, by people unconnected with it, then Wikipedia will take notice of it and allow an article about it, which should be nearly 100% based on what those unconnected people have written. What the organisation itself says about itself is of very little relevance. If you start from this realisation, you are likely to have a less frustrating time. I would also advise anybody at all to get some experience editing existing articles before plunging into the hard task of writing a new article. --ColinFine (talk) 10:04, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on 2016 in American television

Reference help requested. What error did i make Thanks, Iron max 2 (talk) 02:27, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

@Iron max 2: Fixed, minimally, but you need to figure out if that row should be Disney Channel or Disney XD, as it is kinda both right now, and breaking the table formatting. The ref could also do with being fleshed out with some more parameters for {{cite web}}, to help prevent / mitigate WP:LINKROT. The problem was …|February 15… vs. …|date=February 15…. Murph9000 (talk) 02:39, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

How to respond to article messages such as Refimprove ?

I recently updated an article that contained a {{Refimprove}} message. Now or eventually, I would like to see this message removed. How does that happen? Should I somehow request a more-senior editor to review the article? Or, is it up to me to simply delete the message whenever I judge that the article issue has been addressed? Thanks.

When you feel the references have been sufficiently improved, you can remove the message yourself. If you want to get another opinion, you could always contact the editor who added the message in the first place. Popcornduff (talk) 04:24, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Resolved: Christopher.ursich (talk) 23:02, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

David Cobb, Green Party

Question moved from "Wikipedia talk:Help desk#David Cobb, Green Party". Murph9000 (talk) 08:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

your research center indicates that there is no political campaign button for the David Cobb 2004 recount, during the famous political recount back in Columbus,Ohio in 2004. P.S., there actually was, blue wolf [email address redacted] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.194.220.243 (talk) 00:30, 24 January 2016‎ (UTC)

I'm unclear exactly which Wikipedia article you feel has a factual error. We have over 5 million of them to maintain! If you can provide the exact name of the article you feel has a factual error, and specific detail on the changes you believe should be made, we will be quite happy to take a look at it. N.B. it would help considerably if you could cite good independent reliable sources (or even an official source directly connected to the subject, if independent sources are unavailable) to support the change. Any evidence that assists us in verification of the facts greatly appreciated. Murph9000 (talk) 08:17, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

New article

Dear Wikipedians,

I have worked on new article. I would like to ask about advices what to do to make it better. Is it possible to accept my draft? Draft:Michał Cander

regards, ZBIK89— Preceding unsigned comment added by Zbik89 (talk • contribs)

A couple of quick things I noticed: (1) your drafts generally should only have blue links, not red links - so if the articles don't yet exits, don't link to them; (2) Did you, personally take the photo used on the page? And/or are you Mr. Cander? (3) Exhibitions are just a simple list that is unreferences/cited, you might do better with replacing the list with a narrative which citations; (4) find English sources, if possible. Since this is the English wikipedia, having references/citations in English are greatly preferred. -- I hope those help. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! I will work on it! Ad.2 I am not Mr. Cander, but I am author of his photo, so it is OK according to rules :) I will ask you againd for help when I finish my article :) Thank you for your support! :)

Stats broken. again

Page view statistics has not updated since January 20. Where on Wikipedia (not on wp:phabricator) can one file a problem report? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)please ping me

Which link are you using to view page statistics? If you are referring to Henrik's tool then you should contact them at User Talk:Henrik as that tool is not run by Wikipedia, but is a third-party tool. HOWEVER, there is a know problem that has already been reported to him. If you are referring to different tool, please provide a link to it. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:28, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I am using the Page view statistics-link that shows up every time I click View history on a wiki-page. Can you please explain your third-party comment: are you saying that WMF has contracted a third party to provide these statistics? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 13:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC)please ping me

Spam question

Please help me with... Hi,

I hope that you can help. For all 46 Wiki pages relating to Booker Prize Winners, I recently added a reference link to my website, www.collectibleEx.com. I now notice that this link has been removed in all 46 cases.

Its my belief that the link I added was a credible reference link, which uses both narrative and photos to assist in identifying the UK first edition of the book. It also attempts to calculate a fair price using multiple market sources. To my knowledge, this is unique on the web.

Please take a look. This isn't money making, it is about helping collectors identify first editions. For some, it will be hugely beneficial.

It was my understanding that this was exactly the ethos Wiki was trying to promote: collective knowledge share?

The time and effort consumed in compiling this data for all 46 books was long and arduous, taking weeks of research.

Please can you explain why all 46 links were removed by Hobbes Goodyear (User:Hobbes Goodyear)?

I'd be very interested to hear your response,

Kind regards,

Andrew Cox (coxandy) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coxandy (talk • contribs) 16:37, 25 January 2016‎ (UTC)

Try reading WP:LINKSPAM. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:49, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Just thinking that your linkspam edit is so useful that it should be exempt from the rule against linkspam doesn't override the policy. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:10, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Issues with wikipage

Hi wiki, about a week back there's been issues on wikipage Lavdrim Muhaxheri. Two users and one admin have made comments on synth -issues and such. Thus trying to discuss it, the article is being reversed to a version with synth issues and they keep issuing warnings when I reverse from the synth - issue version. I would need some admin help since they're ambition seems more to vandalize rather than to discuss.KewinRozzKewinRozz (talk) 17:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

You are close to violating WP:RRR which means that if you revert a page three times you may be blocked for Edit Warring. As a result, I recommend you discussing it on the article talk page, Talk:Lavdrim_Muhaxheri or discussing the details with the admin directly on their talk page. Do NOT keep insisting your edits, a discussion needs to take place now. Only after you resolve your differences on the talk, you can then re-edit the page. If you still are having problems you can ask for Dispute Resolution assistance, but I believe more discussion on the talk page needs to take place first. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:14, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If you are getting repeated warnings both in edit summaries and your user talk page from an admin who has been on Wikipedia for 10+ years, you need to take a big step backwards and not touch the article. Then take a deep breath, possibly more than a few deep breaths. Then calmly, concisely, and specifically, explain the biggest concerns you have with the article on its talk page. Make sure that there's no generalisation, identify specific concerns in detail, while trying to avoid creating a wall-o-text. Leave the minor stuff until later, it can wait. Post it to the talk page, and wait. Wait a couple of days, if need be. Don't start editing that article again until things are calm and there's some reasonable agreement or consensus on the talk page about how to move forward. It really doesn't matter how right you are, and how wrong "they" are, edit warring rather than discussing will likely only end badly for you. If the article sucks right now, so be it, there's no deadline on fixing it. Right now, from the sound of it, the consensus is against you. Calm, reasoned argument on specific content issues that matter is the way to change that, or at least find a mutually acceptable solution. See also dispute resolution. Murph9000 (talk) 17:24, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I've discussed it but they don't discuss with me, read the talk page, I've pointed out that the version they've now reverted to has synth -issues, which it didn't in the previous version and I've pointed specifically to the parts, I believe the page is now vandalized KewinRozzKewinRozz (talk) 18:01, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, keep following the dispute resolution process. Making a reasonable attempt to talk it out on the article's talk page is the first step. The process details the options available beyond that. For the third / outside opinion, you could try seeking opinions on the closest related WikiProject's talk page. Murph9000 (talk) 18:07, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

How To Create Article Links

Hello! I'm new to editing on Wikipedia and I need some help. On the Grant Morrison page, I want to add an appearance he made as a comic character in a comic book. But I'm not sure how to create a link leading to that comic's article page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewyoung00 (talk • contribs) 17:19, 25 January 2016‎ (UTC)

As you can see from this edit your changes were removed. This is because you inserted information without citing a reliable source for the information you were inserting. In general the addition of new information require an inline reference/citation. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:46, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

What edit was my first mainspace page create?

Is there any easy way to tell what number edit was my first mainspace page create?Naraht (talk) 20:02, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Your first createed article was Harold Roe Bartle. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 20:30, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

The easy way to find that is to go to your contributions and click on the "Articles created" link at the bottom of the page. —teb728 t c 20:35, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Hence the edit number was 12870982 --David Biddulph (talk) 20:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

OK, those are very useful, but what I wanted was "The Creation of Harold Roe Bartle was *my* 958th edit" If indeed it was my 958th, that number: 958 is what I'm looking for.Naraht (talk) 22:58, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

@Naraht: For that you can go to your contributions, click on the "oldest" link, and count up from the bottom. By my count it was your 62nd edit. (This assumes of course that none of your first 62 edits was deleted.) —teb728 t c 21:26, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Layout on Mean Machine Angel

I just noticed that Mean Machine Angel has enlarged "Edit" links, and they're not encased in square brackets as on other pages - such as The Angel Gang.

There don't seem to be any template or style differences - not that I'm an expert on such things - but why should this be? Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:01, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I do not see anything unusual on that page. Ruslik_Zero 20:33, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps related to the problem I saw earlier [1] on Geytin RudolfRed (talk) 20:41, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I hadn't seen that, but yeah, sounds like the same problem. Cheers. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:34, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

John F Kennedy

I wish to carry out extensive modifications to the John F Kennedy article. Can I be allowed to edit it? --Aråpolo (talk) 21:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

That page is semi-protected for a reason. If you want you can wait until you fulfill the requirements to become autoconfirmed or you can use the article's talk page to request an edit on your behalf. In any case, extensive modifications should always be discussed anyways. There are over 1,000 people that watch that page so any suggestions on the talk page should get some input. --Majora (talk) 21:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

However, edits like this will be rejected and are considered vandalism. Repeated attempts to add that information into the article can result in your editing privileges being revoked. Wikipedia runs on published reliable sources. Not your own take on a situation or event. --Majora (talk) 21:34, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

January 26

Robert Canetti

Please, help me:1-which references I need to delete ( or maybe I shouldn't)from article? 2- I have copies of old newspapers about Canetti and his concerts etc, but I cant find in internet. Can I do pdf scan for the article reference?--strad21 (talk) 00:02, 26 January 2016 (UTC) THanks

In regards to Robert Canetti, It does seem a *bit* much there at the end, but rather too many than not enough. You may want to pull more specific information from each reference about Mr. Canetti, perhaps about specific concerts. In regards to old newspapers. Wikipedia references do *not* have to be available online, just available for anyone who wants to do the research (even if they have to work some). See the Template:Cite newspaper which will give more information. And I'd like to thank you for a much more useful topic than the question above itNaraht (talk) 22:17, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Replacing Bio photo

Hello, Jack Mackenroth is a friend and he has asked me to update his bio (the text is done) and his bio photo. I cannot figure out how to replace the outdated one with the new one he sent me.The photo is uploaded here, and I can add it to the page, but cannot figure out how to replace it in the info box.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Winterschild11 (talk • contribs)

Couple of points: your edits to the article have been reverted and suppressed for being far too promotional in tone. Please follow the instructions on the image information page to provide appropriate permission for the image. Until it has been provided, the image should not be used in the article.--ukexpat (talk) 02:13, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Adding map to a page

I was wanting to add a map to a Wikipedia page that has a long list of place names, with links from the list to the places on the map and vice-versa. What's the easiest way to do this?

This sounds like a question for WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:32, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Re-nominating a page for deletion.

I nominated Jordan Baker (basketball) for deletion back in December because I felt like he failed both WP:GNG and WP:NBASKETBALL, as the Mexican League is not, in my eyes, up to par with the other leagues mentioned in NBASKET. After three weeks of discussion, I felt like the admin was going to delete the article. However, they closed the debate with a "no consensus" decision. Is there any way to either: Edit the NBASKET guidelines to replace the "similar leagues" wording with an actual list of similar leagues so that there is no more debate (similar to WP:FPL for football) or re-nominate the article for discussion? Which do you advise and how would I do it? The discussion can be found here by the way. Thank you! JTtheOG (talk) 01:02, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, there is a sort of guidance already which should perhaps have been considered - see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Basketball/Fully_professional_leagues referenced from Wikipedia:WikiProject_Basketball#Notability. Further discussion regarding that point might usefully be had on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Basketball --ℕ ℱ 01:12, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

If you believe that the closer used poor judgment, you may request deletion review. Simply starting another AFD is considered tendentious. Robert McClenon (talk)

It is not automatically tendentious - there may be very good reasons to do so at times. Such as information that was not considered at the original discussion which would have had a significant bearing. It would be quite odd for a deletion discussion not to make specific reference to a list of leagues that had been prepared as a guideline for that specific notability situation. Like many other things, it is a judgement call. --ℕ ℱ 03:03, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Resolved: JTtheOG (talk) 00:54, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Is there a Wikipedia template that calculates a person's current age?

Is there a Wikipedia template that calculates a person's current age? I'd like one that lists only the age, but not the birth date alongside it. Also, I'd like one that lists the age in years only, not years with days. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

{{Age}} maybe?--ukexpat (talk) 02:15, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

{{Age as of date}} Gives age only. Refer to Wikipedia:Age calculation templates for more info. Cheers!  JoeHebda (talk)  02:34, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Well, neither is what I am looking for. Is there one that will work like {{Age}} does, but render a result that includes the word "years" (for example: {{Age|1916|01|26}} such that the template gives the result "100 years" instead of simply "100")? And the {{Age as of date}} is not applicable unless I know the person's age on a given date, correct? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:05, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

What's wrong with just coding: "{{Age|1916|01|26}} years"? Rwessel (talk) 06:32, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. I didn't know it can be done that way. I am not too familiar with those templates. Thanks! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 07:03, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:27, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Resolved

How to resolve issue with rude and unwelcoming user

Hi I have been having an issue where user:Sundayclose is accusing me of vandalism when I do not believe I have vandalized pages based upon:

″Even if misguided, willfully against consensus, or disruptive, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism. Edit warring over content is not vandalism." sourced from : Wikipedia:Vandalism

I have attempting to resolve the issue with user:Sundayclose however he is being rude and unwelcoming, threatening to ban be and commanding me to stay off his talk page. How else can I resolve the issue with user:Sundayclose if he commands me to not use his talk page? All I need is some clarification here

Thanks,

108.56.72.183 (talk) 02:33, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

I left another message with the user but he has deleted it. I'm really at a loss on how to deal with such a rude user 108.56.72.183 (talk) 02:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

You are both being stubborn. You (unregistered user) were originally told that you were introducing incorrect material, and were advised to take it to the article talk page. You did not. You instead repeated the reverted edit, rather than discussing. Only then did the other editor warn you for vandalism. Your repeating of the edit was not vandalism, but it was persisting in editing without discussion. You should both discuss at the article talk page. If that fails, read the dispute resolution policy and follow a dispute resolution procedure. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:07, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

@Sundayclose: I'd like to note that And stay off my talk page. does seem a little out of order to me (just my personal opinion) shortly below If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. I was unable to spot a clear justification in the messages left by 108 to justify such hostility. Now, to be completely clear, as an isolated incident, I don't believe that it's in any way a serious matter worthy of sanctions, only that it feels a bit out of order to me, and could have been handled better. It is just something to improve on. We all have bad days, we all make errors of judgement, misinterpret someone else's intent, etc; it happens. Viewed through a WP:AGF lens, I see no clear case of vandalism, just an otherwise unremarkable content dispute and failure to follow the correct procedure of discussing it on talk pages after the first revert (108, that part squarely is on you, not using talk pages at the first opportunity, and when the message left for you (quoted above) actually invited you to talk). And, for the avoidance of doubt, yes, I agree with Robert. Murph9000 (talk) 17:29, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Promotional Article

I came across the article Enders Analysis and believe it is mostly promotional. I'm not sure that it's even notable. To me, it looks mostly like an advertisement. Many of the sources are the companies' own website. Most of the others are just trivial mentions of the company. There are no links to it except one in a list of companies based in England. I think it should be flagged with {advert}, {Orphan}, {notability}, {refimprov}, etc. or possibly nominated for deletion? According to the history, there appears to have been some review when it was created by {Wikipedia:AFC}. I'm unsure if I should nominate it for deletion or just add the above tags. I already asked this question at {Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions} and User:Cullen328 took a look and said he agreed with my assessment; go ahead and improve it (first choice) or tag it. I'm looking for a little more guidance. I'm not interested in improving this article myself. I realize that AFD is the proper place to have a discussion about deletions but aren't sure if I should take that route. Mb66w (talk) 02:54, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Title blacklist question: - Draft: AFIYA FUNKYSOULSTRESS BEY

I reviewed User:Anita Smith BBJ/sandbox and declined it for multiple reasons. Whatever it is, it isn’t an encyclopedic draft. It doesn’t look anything like an encyclopedic draft. However, I tried to move it to Draft: AFIYA FUNKYSOULSTRESS BEY , the preferred location for an AFC submission. I was unable to do so, because it is on the title blacklist. This question isn’t urgent, since the sandbox draft either will never be ready for acceptance or will not be ready soon. However, can someone please tell me why the title is on the blacklist? Is it a simple matter of salting, or something else? I thought that salting normally only blacklisted the title in mainspace, not in draft space. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:13, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

By the way, I am not asking whether the sandbox should be accepted. That is obvious: Not as it is, and maybe never. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:13, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

I can't see any evidence that the title is blacklisted, but why would you want to move it to a title which is SHOUTING, see WP:TITLEFORMAT? --David Biddulph (talk) 03:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

The title that I tried to move it to was the title contained on the line provided by the Article Wizard that appears to be intended to be the title. The ? move failed with the message that the title is blacklisted. Does it blacklist upper case titles? Should I fold the title and move it, leaving it declined as probably never notable? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:54, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: One of the rules at MediaWiki:Titleblacklist is labelled "Disallows moves with more than nine consecutive capital letters" -- John of Reading (talk) 07:06, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. It would be more informative if it stated that rule, but I can see that its purpose is to prevent Shouting in titles. A few editors at AFC provide solid upper case titles in sandboxes. I see that the key is to title case or sentence case the title. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:46, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

It's at Draft:Afiya Funkysoulstress Bey, but for now it is very far from being an article. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:47, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Glen Affric

I had difficulty with ref number 2 on the above page. Otherwise, all good we think. 101.182.146.167 (talk) 03:56, 26 January 2016 (UTC) Thanks

What exactly is wrong? Rwessel (talk) 06:34, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Glen Affric - dead link??? Ref number 11 was copied from another page and it is not good. I would appreciate your help and hope that this article is all OK. Thanks so much 101.182.146.167 (talk) 07:07, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

I just checked and ref 11 is OK now! 101.182.146.167 (talk) 09:12, 26 January 2016 (UTC) Is the page OK?

Relate Institute page

Hello, The page entitled 'Relate Institute' is no longer valid. The organization no longer exists and the information in this page is therefore invalid. Please can the whole page be removed? Thank you. 62.232.12.82 (talk) 09:09, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source to state the Institute no longer exists? - I have tried its website and that cannot be found. However, just because something no longer exists does not mean it should not be covered by Wikipedia - or we would have to delete most of our history articles. It would be helpful if we could report the closing of the course, with a date and a reason, and then change the tense of the article to past. - Arjayay (talk) 09:17, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

The former website now just redirects to Relate, but there is another Relate Institute at Brigham Young University. Perhaps our article should include this in the present tense as well as Doncaster in the past. Dbfirs 09:26, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Glen Affric

I have tried to do a ref. as a BOOK. This is hard for me and therefore ref. 7 is wrong. I need the long "ISMB" number (or whatever it is called). Please help me. I am tired now so will not ask for help again. Thanks as usual. Please help 101.182.146.167 (talk) 10:17, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

I have tidied the refs up a bit (see this diff). To cite a book you can use the {{cite book}} template. If you are using google books, the ISBN number can be found by clicking "about this book" and scrolling to the bottom of the page. Sarahj2107 (talk) 11:14, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Amos John

PLEASE WHAT DO I DO FOR MY PAGE NOT TO BE DELETED??? http://pastoramosjohn.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wideassets (talk • contribs) 10:34, 26 January 2016‎ (UTC)

I've deleted the page. Someone here can explain further. Also, could someone please check http://wideassets.com/ to see if it is connected to Amos John. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, Amos John registered wideassets.com. Dbfirs 10:52, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:05, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

A fairly minor point, please do not WP:SHOUT.  :) Murph9000 (talk) 11:19, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Glen Affric

Thanks so much for all your help. There seems to e a funny "maths" sign near ref. number 9 . Please remove it if you can and if it does not muck things up. I am too scared! Thanks101.182.146.167 (talk) 12:00, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

It was just a stray "<" symbol - probably left over from a <ref> - how many times do people have to explain that you can't really "muck things up"?
If you preview your edits, there should be never be a problem, but even if there is, just go to the page history, and undo your edit.- Arjayay (talk) 12:14, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks - one more thing - sorry- there should be a gap between the words "sport and stalking" in ref number 12 on the Glen Affric page... I am too tired and scared to do it. PLEASE do it for an old teacher!101.182.146.167 (talk) 12:24, 26 January 2016 (UTC) thanks again but please help me! Done Eagleash (talk) 12:44, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Feedback?

Resolved: TheReferenceProvider (talk) 14:59, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Where do one ask for feedback on an article? --TheReferenceProvider (talk) 13:19, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

@TheReferenceProvider: Well, step one would be to name and link the article, as the official WP crystal balls are on back order… ;-) Best initial idea is probably to try the most closely related WikiProject which shows some signs of activity. Murph9000 (talk) 14:03, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

@Murph9000: Thank you for your answer. Unfortunately, I don't understand what "as the official WP crystal balls are on back order" means. Will you please explain? Thank you. (The article I would like feedback on is Steinway & Sons). --TheReferenceProvider (talk) 14:09, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

@TheReferenceProvider: I was just making light of cases where people don't specify which of our over 5 million articles they are talking about. The article "crystal ball" may help it make sense, i.e. we don't have crystal balls to know what "an article" refers to. The point being, please name the article if asking for help, as it makes it more likely you will get the best response, most relevant information, etc. If you look at Talk:Steinway & Sons, there are several WikiProjects tagged for that article, with links to take you directly to them. Now that you have named it here (which has a fairly wide audience), you've probably already got people taking a look at it, but the WikiProjects get you people with specific areas of interest and expertise. Murph9000 (talk) 14:18, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Weird edit link

I'm not sure if you can see this, but in Abacetus suboccidentalis, there is an odd edit link next to the section title of references. Besides, I can't see the edit link on the lead despite enabling it in preferences. There doesn't seem to be anything weird in the Wiki markup though. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 13:47, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

@The Average Wikipedian: I couldn't see anything wrong but have purged the page anyway. There are a couple of similar reports further up this help desk where a purge has fix it. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:57, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Bessacarr and Cantley politics

I would like to correct a statement in the above mentioned article. It is stated that no political party had a solid hold on the mentioned ward from 1999 to 2014. I would like to inform you that three Liberal Democrats Councillors had a secure hold on the ward from my election in 1998 until my dismissal by the party in 2014. The reason of my dismisal was that I considered it more important to maintain the good work the Liberal Democrats were doing for the town, the residents and therefore the Party by having two Councillors on Mayor Davies's Cabinet. Due to losing my wife and being diagnosed with prostate cancer I stood down in 2008 and was replaced by another Liberal Democrat. After recovering ftom surgery I returned to Council in 2012 and I was approached by Mayor Davies to see if I too would join his Cabinet. Mayor Davies having dropped his English Democrat Party on realising their policies were unworkable was reliant on the assistance of other parties. I said if he was returned in the 2014 elections I would consider being the third Liberal Democrat on his four Councillor Cabinet. The Doncaster Liberal Democrat's Executive told me they were putting forward a Liberal Democrat Mayoral Candidate. I told them not to do it, I told them of the position and the fact that if Mayor Davies was returned three Liberal Democrat Cabinet Members could be running Doncaster, but for that to happen Mayor Davies would require every vote he could get his hands on. The Exec wouldn't listen, they thought it more important that a free leaflet went through every door in Doncaster stating the Liberal Democrat policies than to have their Councillors carrying on the improvements to the town that they had started. The Exec Chair stood as the Mayoral Candidate. I told my ward supporters to be careful where they placed their X. I did not say vote for Mayor Davies or vote for the Liberal Democrat Candidate. The result Labour got 27,300 votes, Mayor Davies got 26,700 and the Liberal Democrat Candidate got 1,500 votes. I was invited to Leeds to a disciplinary hearing, which I declined and was subsequently dismissed for not supporting the Liberal Democrat Candidate, one of my colleagues retired and the other resigned because of the treatment I had recieved. So you see, not only was there a solid Liberal Democrat set in the Bessacarr and Cantley Ward, we almost took control of Doncaster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.41.238.186 (talk) 17:53, 26 January 2016‎ (UTC)

For convenience, the article is Bessacarr#Politics. --ColinFine (talk) 18:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, anonymous former councillor. As the statement in question was unsourced, I have removed it from the article, as anybody may do to unsourced statements in articles. I have not read your account above, since (as an equally unsourced account) it is irrelevant to Wikipedia. If you wish to argue for a change to any article, the article's talk page is the best place to do it, and preferably with a reference to independent reliable published sources. --ColinFine (talk) 18:18, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

mentioning isolated crime on town's page

Blackstone, MA. Is it really necessary to mention one isolated incident to smear a whole town? I think not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:190:401:b9b9:84cd:d53e:2b3a:8bd5 (talk) 18:10, 26 January 2016‎ (UTC)

• I agree. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 18:19, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

I am inclined to agree that this is disproportionate; but the article's talk page is the place to discuss what goes into the article. --ColinFine (talk) 18:20, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Main page

What happened to the main page? It's different and tiny all of a sudden. It's just the featured article and in the news. Everything else is gone. Smartyllama (talk) 18:11, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

@Smartyllama: I asked the same thing at Talk:Main Page- looks like it's now fixed. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:20, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

(e/c) @Smartyllama: That was very strange. I purged the page, and it sprang back into shape. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:21, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Must be some strong laxative you used, John. Drmies (talk) 18:23, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Can't get to the commons

I don't know if anybody else is having this problem, and I'm pretty sure I've had this glitch before, but all of the sudden, every time I try to go to the commons, I get redirected to the Wikimedia Foundation page, which keeps refusing to recognize content, and claims they want me to sign in, but doesn't recognize my signature, like Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, and Wikiquotes. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 18:40, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

This is being dealt with at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#WM Commons and Meta seem to be redirecting to the WMF site. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:45, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

White Castle (restaurant)

This company bio is incomplete. The company has two divisions: Restaurant and Retail products. Both are the same parent company. Retail products division was created 35 years ago. It has grown from one to three manufacturing sites, continuing to expand geographies growing sales. Just entered Canada in 2015. Contact corporate for more information and updating of company bio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.234.106.147 (talk) 19:20, 26 January 2016‎ (UTC)

Discuss at Talk: White Castle (restaurant). Robert McClenon (talk) 21:43, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Problems with the Page on "Mahdavia"

Mahdavia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hello -

I am writing to report that there are multiple misrepresentations and misinformation on the page titled "Mahdavia". As a representative of the Mahdavia community, my request is to delete the page from WikiPedia, as it is misrepresentation of facts.

Thank you.

Roshan Sayed USA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsayed786 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 26 January 2016‎ (UTC)

Hello, Roshan. Wikipedia does not really work like that, removing an entire article based on a very vague claim of inaccuracy. Please explain your concerns in specific detail on the article's talk page, as a first step. We need to know the specific things that you believe are inaccurate, the nature of the inaccuracy, and how you believe it should be corrected. We value input from anyone who wishes to assist in correcting errors and improving accuracy, especially if that input includes reliable sources to support the desired changes. Thanks. Murph9000 (talk) 19:59, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Angelina Jolie

Reference help requested.

How do I fix the error I made in my edit on the Angelina Jolie page?

Thanks, Knockadooma (talk) 20:32, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

You probably intended a | url = parameter. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:37, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

@Knockadooma: Fixed, in technical terms. I didn't verify accuracy or anything like that, leaving that up to you. |url= was needed, as David suggested. You can see it in the article's revision history. Murph9000 (talk) 20:40, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Take down a redundant page

Australian League of Immigration Volunteers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

How can I have a page taken down for an organization that I belong to that no longer exists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.14.131 (talk) 23:10, 26 January 2016‎ (UTC)

You can't. Blanking the page was the worst thing you could do! If you can give us a reliable reference that confirms it no longer exists, we'll just add that information and change the text to past tense. Do you mean "used to belong to"? Dbfirs 23:17, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

If the organization did previously exist, the fact that it no longer exists should be noted, because if it was notable, its existence in the past is notable. Many organizations that no longer exist are historically notable. If it has disbanded, you may mention that on the article talk page, or edit the article, but be prepared to discuss. If the organization never existed, and I don't think you are saying that, you can request speedy deletion as a hoax, but I don't think that is what you are saying. What you really need to do is to provide evidence that it has disbanded. Blanking an article, except under very rare exceptions (such as copyright violation or slander) is often considered vandalism. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:26, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Please do not request speedy deletion as a hoax without very strong and verifiable evidence to support the claim. The article has been around for quite a while, and it has diverse references. A speedy deletion nomination as a hoax needs to be strongly supported in that situation, otherwise it could be seen as vandalism. In the meantime, I've done a little cosmetic cleanup of the article. Murph9000 (talk) 23:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

I think this explains why someone wants the article taken down. Maproom (talk) 12:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

References

That isn't a reason to take the article down, but a reason to summarize the information in that newspaper article, which is a reliable source. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:46, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Did this organisation just change its name to "Australian Refugee Volunteers", or is that under different management. Should we have an article? Dbfirs 09:11, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

http://www.abr.business.gov.au/SearchByAbnHistory.aspx?SearchText=36370480735 suggests that it is the same organisation. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:33, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I also found this article so I think we have sufficient evidence to mention the connection in appropriate articles. Dbfirs 09:58, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

January 27

Who can edit?

who can edit your site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:405:c000:62af:450e:3e1c:2a47:a3b5 (talk) 01:21, 27 January 2016‎ (UTC)

With the exception of a few pages that are protected anyone can edit any page. RJFJR (talk) 01:43, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

And with the exception of a few specifically identified individuals who have been banned or blocked for violation of rules.--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Article Source

I am trying to write an article for an artist. The source that I have is a personal interview that I had with her. Her work is well known for she has a unique style. Is this an acceptable source to use, and if not, what can I do to make it an acceptable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IrisScottFineArt (talk • contribs) 03:13, 27 January 2016‎ (UTC)

Hello, Iris, welcome to Wikipedia! The first thing you should do is read Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Please take a careful look at the discussion in there around "notability". Basically, for an article to exist on Wikipedia, the subject of the article (your artist) has to be discussed in reasonable detail by a number of reliable sources. I won't say much more than that for now, to let you get to grips with those things. Below is the standard message about creating an article, with general helpful links and advice. Please do ask more questions before going ahead and creating something, so that we can help you succeed. I have also dropped a helpful welcome message on your user talk page, with lots of links to useful information about Wikipedia.

A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.

Thank you.

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article. You might also look at Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is also available to walk you through creating an article.

Murph9000 (talk) 03:29, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Tables lose their sorting ability when a background color is added

Please see this page: List of oldest living Academy Award winners and nominees. There are four tables. I had all four of the tables set as "sortable" tables. So, they all looked like the fourth table at the bottom of the page. As in that fourth table, when a table is "sortable", the header label for each column has an arrow that the reader can click, so that the particular column can be sorted in ascending or descending order. Then, I added the gold coloring to the background of the labels for each column. This is apparent in the first three tables on that page. However, when I added the gold coloring in, the tables lost their sorting ability. In other words, those little up and down arrows have disappeared. What did I do wrong? How do I correct this? What I want is for all of the tables to look like the fourth table at the bottom (with sorting ability), but with the gold coloring as the column headers. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 06:11, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: All fixed. According to this, there is a known bug with the "background:..." style and sortable tables. Using "background-color:..." instead fixes the issue. --Majora (talk) 06:28, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

@Majora: Perfect! Thanks so much! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 07:13, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Resolved

Biografia Italo Salizzato

Non essendo molto esperto in Wiki, per cortesia, chiedo di aiutarmi a trovare almeno un articolo di riferimento ad una fonte affidabile e rimuovere il tag Biografia Italo Salizzato!.. Sempre se è possibile si potrebbe tradurre in inglese la pagina di Wikipedia in italiano! Io sono l'autore! Nel ringraziarVi per la Vostra pazienza invio distinti saluti. --Ermo casella (talk) 07:45, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Translation: "Not being very experienced in Wiki, please, I ask you to help me find at least one item of reference to a reliable source and remove the [PROD] tag from Italo Salizzato .. Also if you could translate the English Wikipedia page in Italian! I am the author! Thank you for your patience sending regards." Maproom (talk) 10:47, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

HDFC Bank vs ICICI Bank

I have been tracking a lot of brand pages. I see that while both HDFC Bank and ICICI bank have a lot of product mentions, HDFC Bank has been flagged as containing advertorial content. I looked at the citations and the number of people editing the page, and I disagree. Can you clarify please. Thanks, 103.245.12.13 (talk) 10:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC) Page: HDFC Bank

Both articles, HDFC Bank and ICICI Bank, fail various Wikipedia guidelines such as WP:NOTDIRECTORY, WP:NPOV, WP:PROMO (and possibly WP:COI with undisclosed paid editing). I am not sure which one is worse, and such a comparison doesn't really matter. Each article should be independently checked on its own merits (see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS), but both should be trimmed down by an uninvolved editor. GermanJoe (talk) 13:53, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Laird

please help with ref. number 1 on this page. It is a book and I CANNOT do the IBSM numbers that books usually have. Please include the page number as well as the IBSM number - when you fix this up! Thanks 101.182.146.167 (talk) 12:20, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

As a former bookseller, and also a Heraldry enthusiast who owns the book in question, I can say with certainty that this book did not have an ISBN (International Standard Book Number) when published in 1956, because ISBNs were only introduced in 1967, as an expansion of the SBN system which was invented in 1965.

If the book has been reprinted or published in a new edition since 1967, the reprint possibly and the new edition almost certainly will have an ISBN, but I will have to check into that later. [Watch this space!] If there is a newer edition with an ISBN, the reference should probably give that new edition's publication date, not the 1956 of the original.

I'll look for the page reference in my (1956) copy later this week: I won't have time today as I won't be getting home until around midnight tonight! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 185.74.232.130 (talk) 15:29, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

ISBN given at http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scots-Heraldry-Thomas-Innes-Learney/dp/0050009656, but indexes other than Amazon apparently don't recognise the number. David Biddulph (talk) 15:42, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

OK, I now have the book in front of me, and see a couple of problems.

The first is that the reference [1] itself omits the book's Publisher. I'm not practiced at referencing on Wikipedia, but I would have thought that in

"Innes of Learney, T. (1956). Scots Heraldry (2nd ed.). Edinburgh & London: R. & R. Clark Limited."

the words "Oliver and Boyd," should appear immediately before "Edinburgh and London". (R.& R. Clark. Ltd [sic] were the book's Printer.) The same omission of Publisher but inclusion of Printer is evident in references [5] and [7], where I would guess, though do not know, that Oliver & Boyd would also be the Publisher.

The second and more serious problem is that I cannot immediately see in the book any passage that relates to the part [italicized by myself] of the statement that the reference supposedly supports, namely

"Laird (/ˈlɛərd/) is a generic name for the owner of a Scottish estate, roughly equivalent to an esquire in England, yet ranking above the same in Scotland.[1]."

The book's index does not include "Laird" (or "Esquire"). Chapter 1 'Scottish Heraldry and the Influence of the Clan System' includes the texts "Chiefs and Lairds reigned ⁶ in their ancestral estates like Princes, . . ." (p2) and "The "much-honoured" laird, or chief, . . . ." (p3).

(Innis' p2 footnote 6 refers to I.F. Grant, In the Tracks of Montrose, pp 4, 144 and 267, and his p3 quote apparently to D. Stewart of Garth, Sketches of the Highlanders, 1825, pp 50 and/or 97-9.)

However, neither in this Chapter, nor any other that I can see, does Innis directly compare the relative rankings of Scottish and English titles. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 185.74.232.130 (talk) 15:42, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Melvin Holmes is deceased

Dear Wikipedia-

My father Melvin Holmes, born on January 22,1950 and played for the Pittsburgh Steelers passed away on December 24, 2015 in South Carolina. I wanted to pass this information along in case his summary needed to be updated. Thanks.

-Tara — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8806:3000:252:E1DE:4F6E:8355:3FF5 (talk) 12:41, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Obit at http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/sptimes/obituary.aspx?n=melvin-holmes&pid=177073984&fhid=3622 Naraht (talk) 12:51, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Needs some consolidation: Mel Holmes == Melvin Holmes. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 12:54, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Tara, Sorry for your loss, I just wanted to thank you for taking a moment to provide the information. (it can be a little sterile around here) Mlpearc (open channel) 15:08, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Help:~how do I fix the following error? Cite Error: The named reference 'patent' was invoked but never defined

Hi There I removed a reference to a patent on the article named Skipp Williamson I now see the below error in relation to one of the references related to the line I removed I looked at the help page but I don't understand how to fix this error - can you please help> Cite Error: The named reference 'patent' was invoked but never defined

Many thanks in advance for your help 2601:C0:8002:33E0:A8FF:C140:56A7:B668 (talk) 15:35, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

You gave no reason for the removal of the statement with its references, so I have reinstated it. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:03, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi David, the reason I removed it is because Williamson does not actually hold a patent because the application was deemed unpatentable. Therefor I wanted to remove the line from the article and the two references associated with it. Can you please advise how I deal with the error? Thanks 2601:C0:8002:33E0:A8FF:C140:56A7:B668 (talk) 16:34, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

If you want to remove it, you'll need to give an edit summary to explain what you're doing, as repeated unexplained deletion would be liable to be regarded as vandalism. You also need a reference to a source that says it was unpatentable. If you do have such a reference it would probably be better to reword the exising text to say that a patent was applied for, but then add text, with your new reference, to explain that it was unpatentable. If in doubt, discuss it on the article talk page. To avoid breaking the reference you would need to move the definition of the reference to the place where it is still used. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:48, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your help David and apologies for not writing in the edit summary. I will do so in future. I want to remove the mention of the patent altogether so I will add the refernce stating that it was unpatentable to the edit summary. I don't understand the line To avoid breaking the reference you would need to move the definition of the reference to the place where it is still used - can you please help me to understand this so I don't do anything wrong? Thanks for your guidance 2601:C0:8002:33E0:A8FF:C140:56A7:B668 (talk) 16:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. This is explained in WP:NAMEDREF. When a reference is added to an article, it may optionally be given a name: the purpose of doing that is that if the same reference is cited again in the same article, you just specify it by name, and don't give all the bibliographic detail again. What happened here is that you removed a named reference, but somewhere else on the page that same reference is used: it is of course called by name, but you have removed the place where the reference with that name ("Patent") was defined. If you remove a named reference (which will be something like <ref name=Patent....</ref>, you need to find where else in the source (which may be in a different section) that reference is called up again (as <ref name=Patent/> and replace it with the full definition that you are removing. --ColinFine (talk) 17:11, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Bio

Hi my name is Felix Castro how can I create a professional bio for myself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.35.239 (talk) 15:53, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi Felix. Go to LinkedIn, or some other service where a professional profile fits with the type of site and form of work it is. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, a very specific type of reference work that can be summarized as a compendium of articles on topics of knowledge—as reflected by the world writing about a topic in detail (and not by the the subject or those connected to the topic writing about it). We have no place here for a write-up on you, unless you are truly a topic of knowledge. And even if that were the case, any such writing would be in the form of an encyclopedia article (warts and all), which would in no way be properly in the form implied by the expression "professional bio". Any such article would properly be written someone entirely unconnected to you. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:02, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Doi filler

I have noticed that the cite journal filler that shows up in the edit window automatically when you click on "cite" in the edit toolbar is not working for me when I try to fill it in with dois. Strangely, though, this seems to only be a problem with NBER working papers--i.e. when I use dois from their pages (e.g. here), nothing happens when I try to fill the citation in using this tool, but with dois from elsewhere, it seems to work just fine. Does anyone know why this might be happening, or whether it's a problem with NBER or our tools? Everymorning (talk) 16:24, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

• Are these valid DOIs? I've noticed sometimes that DOIs which don't work on "cite" also don't work on https://dx.doi.org/, probably because they aren't registered or something.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:30, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
  • W/respect to one of them I've been having trouble with here, yes, it is valid: the DOI is 10.3386/w14276, the article is linked above, and the doi definitely works. What doesn't work is filling it in using the cite journal template as described above. Everymorning (talk) 16:34, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
    • Other issues I've noticed with that "cite" tool are a long loading time for several DOIs. I ask, where is the JS or whatever other code that powers that stored?Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:39, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Background colors for tables

I was reviewing this article: 12th Academy Awards. You will notice that the heading titles on the tables have a background that is a golden color. When I looked at the "code" to produce that gold color, I see (in the edit space for the article) the following notation ! style="background:#EEDD82; width:50%" | [[Academy Award for Best Picture|Outstanding Production]]. OK. So far, so good. So, I presume that the gold color is coming from the notation (code) of style="background:#EEDD82;. So, my question is: how would I (or anyone) know that #EEDD82 is the code to produce the color gold? And what if I want another color (purple, green, whatever)? Is there a list somewhere on Wikipedia (or the internet) that gives all of these codes and their corresponding colors? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

This page does a reasonable job. There may well be better alternatives. Maproom (talk) 18:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

This list may also be helpful. It is too big for a single article, so you will have to pick one from the list.--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:18, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Why is it that my color code (EEDD82) is not listed in those articles? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:46, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

The article lists only commonly used colours. There are too many shades (over sixteen million) to list them all. Your shade is 238/256 = 93% brightness red (because EE in hexadecimal is 238 in decimal); 221/256 = just over 86% brightness of green (because DD in hex is 221 in decimal); and 130/256 = just under 51% brightness of blue (because 82 in hex is 130 in decimal).

As you probably know, when you mix pure 100% red with pure 100% green, you get a bright yellow (#FFFF00), and mixing some blue (the 82 in your code) makes it lighter and more straw/gold coloured, then reducing the brightness of red and green gives your shade. You can play with the colours in the site linked above. Dbfirs 23:22, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:59, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text

Hello,

The "references" section at Wiki page Ester Noronha is loading with error:

Cite error: The named reference HT was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

The code used is:

{{Reflist}} {{DEFAULTSORT:Noronha, Ester}} [[Category:Living people]] [[Category:Indian actresses]] [[Category:1992 births]] Can anyone look into this error?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waseem0088 (talk • contribs) 18:04, 27 January 2016‎ (UTC)

All of the references which existed in the article prior to about a month ago have been deleted, including the one called "HT". This error message indicates that there is a reference with a name (see WP:NAMEDREF) where the reference that actually contains the information is not in the article.Naraht (talk) 18:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

You added the use of reference named "HT" in this edit without defining it. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:59, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Looking at that edit again, it looks as if you were copying material from an article on another subject. You therefore need to check which parts are applicable to your subject, and correct or delete the irrelevant material. - David Biddulph (talk) 19:03, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Square brackets in front of a link

Is there a way to put one square bracket (like this "[") in front of a link? When I try to do so for "[ nu-metal" at The_Young_Souls#Critical_reception, I got an error, so I had to put a space in front of "nu-metal". Please use {{Reply to}} when you respond. --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:30, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Square brackets have specific function in Wikipedia syntax; try curved brackets instead. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:39, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

You can use [ – the code for left square bracket. Ruslik_Zero 19:58, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

@Jax 0677: You can also do <nowiki>[</nowiki>nu-metal, which produces "[nu-metal", which some may consider much more user friendly / readable than using numerical HTML character references. Murph9000 (talk) 20:07, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Putting a bracket in nowiki tags is almost always easier, but exceptions exist, e.g. the [Parke County Museum] entry at List of Indiana state historical markers in Parke County, because the brackets needed to be inside the link, and nowiki tags might have made the link work oddly. But yes, it's better to use nowiki-ed brackets when possible. Nyttend (talk) 20:26, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Automated warning edit error

I'm doing my first edit, the page for Rosie Batty.

I try to save but I keep getting: "Your edit has triggered an automated warning because it looks like you're trying to add an email address to this page."

I have no idea why that's coming up, as I'm not. I've spent quite a bit of time putting this together and don't want to lose it! Not even sure if this is where I should be asking for help. Completely new to all of this.

Thanks... — Preceding unsigned comment added by E ribbon toner (talk • contribs) 21:42, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

@E ribbon toner: Without seeing what you're trying to add, I can only guess that somewhere in your edit there is an @ symbol that is tripping up the filter. And yes, this is a fine place for your question. Dismas|^(talk) 22:47, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@E ribbon toner: If it is not too lengthy, perhaps you can try to past your edit on this page, so we can see the content. Tiggerjay (talk) 22:49, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi E ribbon toner. Part of your attempted edit was to include in a citation (I've modified the at symbol) last = natalieb (AT) themonthly.com.au That is not a last name, which is what goes next to that parameter, and is what seems to have caused the problem. Please note that the attempted citation was deficient in a number of other ways. Not only should it have had the author's first and last names (e.g., |last=Garner |first=Helen) and no email address, but it needs the title of the article (|title=At home with Rosie Batty). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:45, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks so much Dismas and Tiggerjay! And Fuhghettaboutit, you're amazing, got straight to the problem!! You've all given me a real big warm welcome to Wiki, so thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by E ribbon toner (talk • contribs) 03:15, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

No way to report abusive editor

List of Wikipedia controversies (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

There is no easy way to report an abusive editor Mike1901 (talk · contribs). I was sent a message calling me a 'piece of shit' and had my addition removed claiming I did not cite a source, despite quoting the BBC. http://www.bbusc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-35259828 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.86.117.208 (talk) 22:27, 27 January 2016‎ (UTC)

Mike1901 (talk · contribs) did not leave that particular message for you. That old message, which I have now removed from the page, was left by another anonymous user at 07:33, 11 October 2013‎. It was either pure vandalism or aimed at whoever was using your IP address back in October 2013. Mike is entirely innocent, but you should certainly pay close attention to the information message he left you regarding a possible problem with one of your edits. Murph9000 (talk) 22:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

The mistake you made was that you put the reference in the edit summary instead of in the article. Mike's automated message on your talk page was polite and explained what you needed to do. Ask again here if it wasn't clear to you.

... later ... Unfortunately, the BBC website article is about a different court case, so is not really relevant to the article in which you inserted it. I agree that a British court might well come to a different conclusion, and might defend the copyright of the camera owner, David Slater, who set up the shot, but that is speculation. Dbfirs 22:40, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

This is a reason to create an account, so that you won't have any junk left over from previous editors at your IP address. By the way, there is a way to report abusive editors. Read the dispute resolution policy. You can take abusive editors to WP:ANI, but Mike1901 is innocent and is a collaborative rather than abusive editor, and foul language left over from 2013 is stale and not reportable. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:01, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

The problem with your edits is that leaving a bare URL in the edit summary does not really meet Wikipedia's required standard for citing sources. Leaving aside the issue of relevance of the case, what you needed to do was add the following at the end of the added text:

<ref>{{cite news |author=<!--Staff writer(s); no by-line.--> |title=Monkey selfie: Photographer 'relieved' over court ruling |url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-35259828 |work=[[BBC News]] |location=London, UK |date=8 January 2016 |access-date=27 January 2016 }}</ref>

That produces a proper reference which can easily be referred to in the article, like this. A bare URL left in the edit summary is extremely difficult for people to find once some time has passed, which effectively makes your addition unsourced. Murph9000 (talk) 23:06, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

References

January 28

Referencing errors on List of tallest buildings in Miami

Reference help requested. I received this error message from ReferenceBot. I recently updated sources on this list using the template-cite web, on the edit page. I've checked and all the links work. I've read through Category:Pages with URL errors, not sure what the problem is. 1305cj (talk) 00:36, 28 January 2016 (UTC) Thanks, 1305cj (talk) 00:36, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

I've fixed two slightly malformed urls. Otherwise, everything looks fine. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:59, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Malformed urls? Can you tell me specifically what was wrong? This is still a learning experience for me, want to make sure I don't make that error again. Thanks. 1305cj (talk) 01:11, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Ah, got it. Checked the prev history, missing two http's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1305cj (talk • contribs) 01:29, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

bill cosby's Wikipedia page

Hi, I read the first sentence here Bill Cosby and, as an attorney and an American, i know that Wikipedia may want to amend/edit/remove the last three words that have been added by ?? (see copy below)

William Henry "Bill" Cosby, Jr. (born July 12, 1937) is an American Actor, comedian, author, activist, tv show maker, singer, rapist, sex offender — Preceding unsigned comment added by Targetsmove (talk • contribs) 02:20, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Done: Language was removed, user who added it was warned. GAB^Hello! 02:23, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Question about quality of image in article

Hi there,

I come with a question about the article Zinc cadmium sulfide - specifically the one seemingly odd, low quality image in it.

First of all, from the perspective of someone who knows little about fluorescence and nothing about whatever "thermography" is, the image labeled "Bottle of Thermographic Phosphor" makes no sense, is not explained at all either in article or the image's description, and the image is of such (apparently) poor quality, it is virtually impossible to distinguish what it is trying to demonstrate or its worth - I wouldn't have known it was a "bottle" of anything at all if not for the caption. What is the protocol for nominating this for deletion, if there is one at all? It doesn't seem to explain anything worthwhile or contribute anything to the content of the article, and as far as I'm concerned, is more confusing than anything. Thanks! Illini407 ^talk 02:32, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree. There's no other use of "thermographic" or "phosphor" in the article. Putting on a "I know nothing of science" hat, that image appears to be a random UFO sighting which has an unrelated caption, and neither picture nor caption appear to relate to the article. Anyone can edit the article to improve it, either by adding the text to explain the relevance, or removing the thing which does not add any value to the article. Just leave a suitably descriptive edit summary and don't get into an edit war if someone reverts the change. Optionally, explain motivations for an edit on the article's talk page, if the edit summary does not provide adequate scope for explanation. If someone disputes the change, use the article's talk page to hopefully arrive at some form of agreement. You may also wish to browse back through the article's revision history, as it could be that there was previously some text which did connect the image to the article. Murph9000 (talk) 02:43, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Taking a quick look back through history, it was added on 14 October 2011‎ by Saudade7 (talk · contribs). No edit summary to explain the change, and the same issues seem to be present in that revision, in terms of properly connecting the image and text. Murph9000 (talk) 02:49, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

I just went ahead and BOLDLY removed the image. Further research of the topic, review of article history, and the use of that image on other wiki sites does not support its use on this page. Tiggerjay (talk) 03:05, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Illini407, Murph9000, Tiggerjay That's totally bizarre !! It doesn't look like anything I would have ever done or added !! I've never seen that picture at all !! I don't have it anywhere on my computer !! Saudade7 10:36, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

@Saudade7: looks like to took an image that someone else added and fixed where it was. You made two edits.Naraht (talk) 18:39, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

@Saudade7: Ahhh, right, my mistake, apologies for incorrectly pinning it on you. On 21 May 2011,‎ Paranormal69 (talk · contribs) added the raw URL for it (with a couple of failed attempts to get it to display), and you just converted the raw URL into a working image. Murph9000 (talk) 22:42, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia have any category ...

Does Wikipedia have any category entitled "age-related lists" or some such? I see a "list of youngest people" category and a "list of oldest people" category. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:10, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps.

I've dropped that standard response here, as I'm not entirely clear if your question is editorial in nature, or more a general knowledge type thing. The RD is the better place for the latter type of question. I don't personally know the immediate answer to your question, so just trying to help make sure you are in the right place. Someone watching here may well know the answer. Murph9000 (talk) 03:16, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

The reference desk is for questions that have nothing to do with Wikipedia. Joseph A. Spadaro's question is more suited for here. Are you perhaps looking for Category:Lists of people by age? --Majora (talk) 03:17, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

You could search through Category:Ageing, but I've not seen anything when doing that myself. Nyttend (talk) 04:16, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, all. I am surprised to see that we don't have a category entitled "age-related lists". I guess the closest thing is the Category:Lists of people by age one, mentioned above. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:25, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Statistics of hits

This page [2] on statistcs is not functioning since the last few days. Can you rectify the problem, please?Nvvchar. 04:39, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: This has been an on-again, off-again problem for months. There is nothing anyone here can do as the page view site is external and is maintained by another editor. Luckily, one of the winners in this year's community wishlist is a page view site run and maintained by the WMF. That is in the works. In the meantime, we have to be patient. --Majora (talk) 04:53, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Just registered an account after being a long time reader

Hi there. I've just registered an account here after being a long time reader of articles on Wikipedia. I am looking to make constructive edits, obviously using sources to back them up, to the article about Cliff Richard. There is a lot of elitism going on with this article, notably by one user in particular. Does anyone know how long it will be before I have privileges to make these edits? Many thanks! CliffordJones (talk) 07:50, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi CliffordJones, welcome to Wikipedia. The Cliff Richard article is currently under pending changes protection, which means that anyone can edit the article but each change must be accepted by another editor before it is applied to the "live" article. I short, another editor has to agree with your edit and accept it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:11, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Roger, how do I submit my suggestion for edit? I see now area where I click to do this. CliffordJones (talk) 08:16, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

See also, WP:AUTOCONFIRM. Eagleash (talk) 08:19, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Jack Nusan Porter subcategory amendment and additions edit request

Dear Wikipedia Editorial Help Desk,

As the assistant to Dr. Jack Nusan Porter, entry: Jack Nusan Porter, we would like to request that his name and entry be removed from the notable alumni entry for the University of Wisconsin-Madison and instead be cross referenced at the bottom of the page with Dr. Porter being a notable alumni of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee as this is where he attended. Additionally it is requested that Dr. Porter's entry be additionally cross referenced with the following entries:

Human Rights activists

Jewish human rights activists

Jewish activists

American radicals

Jewish radicals

Children of (Holocaust) Survivors

American anti-Vietnam Activists

American sociologists

Genocide scholars

Milwaukee notables (sociologist, writer, political activist)

Wisconsin notables

Massachusetts notables

Newton, Mass. notables

Regrettably I was only able to edit and annotate Dr. Porter's entry itself and not these cross reference sub categories. Thank you very much for your help. If any additional follow up is needed please forward your response to : jack.porter1@verizon.net

Many Kind Regards,

The Office of Dr. Jack Nusan Porter, Newton, Mass. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:180:C000:3BC9:55BB:CD4E:DE60:E0CD (talk) 19:24, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

I have removed him from Category:University of Wisconsin–Madison alumni, as we have no evidence that he was an alumnus there, and he is not listed at List of University of Wisconsin–Madison people. You are in effect requesting that he be added to various of the "categories" that Wikipedia maintains; but some those you list do not exist. I will copy the list of requests to the Talk:Jack Nusan Porter. Maproom (talk) 19:46, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

I've added the Category:University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee alumni because he was already listed at List of University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee people. Dbfirs 20:54, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

PLEASE READ! Space Shuttle Challenger Disaster, January 28, 1986 Thirty Year Anniversary

Dear Wikipedia-

How did your January 28, 2016 start page (today) possibly omit this major tragic event--the Space Shuttle Challenger Disaster, January 28, 1986 THIRTY YEAR Anniversary-- in the "On This Day" section?????? Are Lego toys and a 1984 storm in Mozambique REALLY MORE IMPORTANT?!?!?!? I really don't think so, and I am deeply offended by this intentional editorial omission. I know this is not the right place for this comment, but I could find no other place on your non-user friendly 'contact us' section. I know you are probably an intern (keep up the good work) but PLEASE pass this message along to whomsoever should be the proper recipient of this complaint. I'm sure I speak for many others as well. I donate regularly to Wikipedia, and would appreciate seeing an APOLOGY for this disrespectful editorial choice tomorrow, or very soon, in the "On This Day..." section. Thank you!2601:643:C000:FB22:715F:EBE7:14B1:D981 (talk) 20:17, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

You can see your event listed at January 28. The editorial choice here is entirely by volunteers (no interns), and there is no supervisory editor, so there is no-one to apologise. You could have made your contribution at Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries where you will see an explanation of why your preference was missed. Two people have made the same criticism in past years (see Wikipedia_talk:Selected_anniversaries/January_28#Challenger). Sorry to disappoint you this year, but in ten years' time, for the 40th anniversary, you can make your recommendation. Dbfirs 20:26, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Also, please don't WP:SHOUT in your messages. People will be a lot more likely to think about your arguments in a calm post. GermanJoe (talk) 20:38, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

By the way, that 1984 storm in Mozambique killed 242 people, the Challenger accident killed only seven, so yes IMHO the storm is more significant. Please try to remember that this website is not the Yankopedia. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:08, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

There are quality requirements to be on the main page. One of them is no tags to indicate certain problems. Click the "[show]" link on the blue "Staging area" line at Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/January 28 to see this:

• 1986 – The NASA Space Shuttle Challenger disintegrated 73 seconds into its tenth mission, killing all seven crew members.

But the article is listed as ineligible with reason "refimprove section". This refers to {{refimprove section}} at Space Shuttle Challenger disaster#Liftoff and initial ascent. It was in "On This Day" in 2010 and 2011 before the tag was added, and will probably get there again some years when somebody improves the article. We are all volunteers and can choose which of the five million articles to work on. It's too late for 2016 but if you learn to edit and click the link in "Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources" then you could help get it ready for next year. Anyone can edit the article. The "On This Day" entries often vary between years so no matter the article quality, it probably wouldn't be featured every year. Also note we are an international encyclopedia and the Challenger disaster may mean less to non-Americans. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:58, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Australian Sidecar Speedway Championship

The placings for the 2014 Championship are incorrect. 1st Darrin Treloar not Grant Bond

1st Treloar 2nd Bottrell (this is correct) 3rd Bond

Cheers Dave Parker Speedway Manager Gillman Speedway — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.57.60 (talk) 22:07, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

If a page is simply a redirect page to another page, can you place that page in a Wikipedia category?

If a page is simply a redirect page to another page, can you place that page in a Wikipedia category? For example, there is an article entitled Barack Obama. And that article is included under the category called "Living people". There is another article (which is simply a redirect) entitled Barack. That article (Barack) is simply a redirect to the "real" article (Barack Obama). Can the redirected article (Barack) have the category "Living people" added to its page? Or no? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:41, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Category:Living people is only for articles. Redirects are not articles and there is no reason to add the redirect Barack to the category. However, it is possible to add categories to redirects. The redirect will be displayed in italics in the category. Just add the category to the redirect page in the same was as to articles. See Wikipedia:Redirect#How to edit a redirect or convert it into an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:26, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Occasionally it's appropriate to add a redirect page to a category. See Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects. I'm going to partially disagree with PrimeHunter (talk · contribs), while Barack seems inappropriate for such a thing, I can imagine someone commonly known by two different names could get such treatment, consider something like the 24 Heures / 24 Hours example from the link. Eminem and Slim Shady are a (near) example of such. Rwessel (talk) 23:35, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

How to locate a saved draft?

How do I locate a saved draft article? I uploaded an article as a draft then hit the save button. I then next created my account username and password. Now in trying to locate the draft it says there is no saved draft with my title. How do I locate my first saved draft, if it is still there?

Thank you. (Decoyworks5 (talk) 22:41, 28 January 2016 (UTC))

Your only contribution to Wikipedia under your current user name is this question. Were you logged in when you saved your draft? Did you save it in draft space or as an article? If you can tell us the name of the article, then perhaps we can find it. Dbfirs 22:46, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Also, did you save it when you were not logged in under your account name of "Decoyworks5"? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:49, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Hey Decoyworks5. It is or was probably named Draft:Name you chose (I include "was" because it's always possible it was deleted). See if typing that into the search field finds it. Remember that capitalization counts. If you can't remember the exact name, do you remember what it started with? Administrators can search for the names of deleted titles, regardless of capitalization, through Special:Undelete, so if you provide, say, the first word, I could search Draft:Word or draft:first few letters and find it if it was deleted. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:23, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

@Decoyworks5: If you were not logged in when you saved it then there are three options. 1) Tell us what if was about so we can look for it among our 38 million pages. 2) Use the search box and and click "Everything" on the results page. 3) Log out and click Special:MyContributions in case you still have the same IP address. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:18, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Cast lists

Hi,

When you're writing an article about a Television programme and are typing up the cast list and their roles, what order should the actors/parts be listed in? I assume they should be ordered by appearances in, and importance within, the show?

Thanks, TRC 28/01/2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Raincloud Kid (talk • contribs) 22:45, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Generally speaking, yes. You are correct. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:54, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

The relevant policy is here MOS:TVCAST. MarnetteD|Talk 22:57, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Pages with no archive

I've noticed there are several pages where talk has been archived, but no archive/history options are displayed. How can this be fixed? Thanks. prokaryotes (talk) 23:03, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Hey prokaryotes. You might add to the talk page the template: {{Talk header}}, which automatically should detect archives and display them. Or you could add the stand-alone template {{archives}}. For more, see Help:Archiving a talk page. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:14, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Ok, well these taggs are added here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Beta-Carotene , but it doesn't show the archives, still. (The talk history shows archives were created). prokaryotes (talk) 23:21, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

@Prokaryotes: What happened here was that the code for the archive bot had an 11 instead of a 1, so it created the archive at the name of an eleventh archive rather than a first. {{Archive}} was trying to link to a first archive, at a proper first archive name which did not exist. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:38, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

P.S. in my experience, it's almost always better for everyone if you specify the page a question is about, as you can see from this thread. P.P.S. you can makes links to internal pages by just enclosing the name in doubled brackets rather than providing a URL, i.e., [[Talk:Beta-Carotene]].--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:38, 28 January 2016 (UTC)