Talk:Music of Germany

Metal article heavily focused on sick forms of metal

Anybody here tried to listen to the bands from that list which take 50% space of the whole article? Go to the homepage of the band Darkened Nocturn Slaughtercult and listen. Other names - Necrophagist, Atrocity, Crematory, Fleshcrawl, Suidakra...

LodovicoAriosto — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.200.57.137 (talk) 17:43, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

What about Jazz-musicians?

Volker Kriegel, oder Rock: Inga Rumpf Habibie 01:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Neue Deutsche Härte and Gothic

NDH ist genuinely German style of music, and bands like Oomph! or Rammstein, are really considered in this article, despite its popularity in mainstream as well as underground music of Germany.

Furthermore, the German Goth Scene is not mentioned within this article, although Germany can be regarded somehow the center of the international goth Scene.

This should be altered. --80.136.27.54 22:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Sectioning is inappropiate

It is inappropiate, to classify or group different styles of music according to the langauges of their songs, as most musicians and listeners don't draw a sharp distinction like this article suggest. There are simply no styles of music that can be classified by language, especially since many bands alter their language from time to time. This classification is as useful, as classifying music by the sex of the lead singer.

Therefore, I'd recommend the post-war section into "Post-war East German" and "Post-War West-German", and make the post-reunification era a section on its own. Maybe it is even pointless to make such a strong division between East and West German during the time of the wall.

I suggest to subsection the pieces of information according to styles of music.

--80.136.27.54 22:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, I think it is totally wrong that German language and Englisch language music developed independently in Germany. I will put a new structure to this article.

Post-War Pop Music

• Music from East Germany
• Music from West Germany and from Reunified Germany
  • Volksmusik und Schlager
  • Liedermacher
  • Neue Deutsche Welle
  • Commercial Pop
  • Soul
  • HipHop
  • Hamburger Schule
  • Recent Pop Music Developments
  • Punk
  • Rock
  • Metal
  • Goth and "Schwarze Szene"
  • Electro
  • Techno, Trance

I renewed the structure of this article --80.136.22.147 17:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

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In general I agreed with this, and did move some of the structure around to reflect it more closely (although not exactly).

I also think two changes should be made to the box in the upper-right (which I can't figure out how to alter or I would just do so myself).

1) Under "Regional music" I would add "Ostrock," because it is a style of philosophically-oriented progressive rock only existing in the former GDR.

2) Under "Other Germanic areas" I would add "Switzerland".

--Sonja Strom 19:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Non-German Composers etc. (Geographie)

Hayden was from Austria, W.A. Mozart was from Austria too (there ist a long discussin on the German WP). Vienna ist the Capitol of Austria. The Article describes music of germens speaking areas. Not Music from Germany. Sorry, my german is better then my english. -- 89.59.30.148 (talk) 17:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

A key point to get across is that German culture, including German classical music, is bigger than the current German borders, with influences between the North sea and the Black sea. Handel and Mozart also worked in multiple languages - this is still expected from a professional musician.

The structural problem might best be solved by splitting off German classical music into a separate article: On this topic the main things missing are: - The reformation (Chorales): The reformation was the driving force, many were verse settings of Psalms. Other evangelical communities were setting up shop in a similar way, e.g. Calvin & C.Goudimel in France, J.Knox in Scotland, and they built on each other's ideas. Later a discussion on whether good music made good christians put the brakes on this musical innovation. The Catholic counter-reformation followed with a tradition of baroque church music to match the baroque church architecture. - The Mannheim School is worth a mention, being a major transition between baroque and classical music. Note that Germans refer to the Classical style of Haydn and Mozart as the Viennese Classical period, since Vienna played such a dominant role. - German composers in Hollywood, as film composers are arguably the legitimate heirs of classical music after the second world war.

Marlon Knauer

I just created the article titled Marlon Knauer. Clearly it should be listed under the "reunified Germany" section, but I'm not sure more specifically which subheading. Can someone who knows the genres better than I do attend to that? Thanks. Michael Hardy (talk) 17:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Punk Bands

Quote: "Even most Germans don't know that there are a lot of punk bands with their primary audience in Japan, which stay relatively unknown to German listeners." Sorry, what does this mean? Any Examples? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.24.108.168 (talk) 12:21, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Die Gedanken sind frei

The song "Die Gedanken sind frei" is an old folk song from the early 19th century (~1810-1820). In history it was often used in times when the liberty of people was in danger (for example in 1948 after a speech of Ernst Reuther short time after the soviets start the Berlin Blockade). Maybe somebody with better english skills than me can integrate this article with a link in this "Music of Germany"-arcticle. Thanks a lot =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.191.192.28 (talk) 21:18, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

This is a great point, not just with reference to this song, too little known among Englist speakers. The soldiers of various wars, the socialists and the Nazis rewrote the words of many folk tunes to align with their thinking. See e.g. E.Klusen Volkslieder aus 500 Jahren, DTV Verlag.

Aus Böhmen kommt die Musik

This hit title from popular music makes an important historical point. Public schooling before 1800 in Bohemia gave high priority to music, so much so that the region became a source of professional musicians for the remaining German courts. c.f. Mozart in Vienna, V.Braunbehrens, p 295 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.104.156.242 (talk) 16:14, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Ich + Ich

"Artists on the cutting edge of German-language techno include Ich + Ich and Klee."

Ich + Ich are a typical German pop music group. Does anyone see a connection to techno?! If yes, please explain to me. 77.188.88.159 (talk) 14:10, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

This isn't about what Germans call "Techno/Tekkno" (Hardcore techno), but the more general Techno. Still doesn't quite fit, neither group is that "dancy". Lars T. (talk) 21:07, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Center of Techno

I've heard that some ravers call Dortmund the "Capital of Techno",cause of "MAYDAY". --188.100.29.173 (talk) 17:36, 30 May 2010 (UTC) That is true but we need more sources to include it into the article.

Moreover it should be added how German electronic music influenced european genres. Boys Noize is another largely known artist but i can't find any english resources and I am not able to proof this one: boys-noize-unser-mann-in-amerika --77.168.158.244 (talk) 20:38, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

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NDW roots

"an outgrowth of British punk rock and ..." - There is no documentation for this assertion. Maybe NDW DID come from punk, but listening to it, there is no indication that it is related. So, this claim needs documentation -- as does so much of this article. 202.179.19.22 (talk) 05:41, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

GERMAN ARTICLE

Oh the irony... So we have quite an extensive article on German music in the English Wiki. But no one in the German? lol. Let's get it started! de:Musik in Deutschland (to make way for an open approach, we shouldn't call the lemma Deutsche Musik or something). Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 22:32, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Reorganisation of the article

I propose a complete reorganisation of this article. It suffers from numerous short paragraphs and lengthy sections. It's highly confusing. A good role model imho is the Music of France article. According to this one, I suggest a similar order of content:

   1 Classical music
       1.1 Medieval
       1.2 Renaissance
       1.3 Baroque
       1.4 Opera
       1.5 Romantic Era
       1.6 20th century
   2 Folk music
        Regional order?
   3 Popular music
       Early forms (Schlager etc.)
   4 Contemporary music
       4.1 NNDW
       4.2 Jazz
       4.3 Pop
       4.4 Rock
       4.5 Metal
       4.6 Electronic
       4.7 Dance
       4.8 Hip Hop
       4.9 Reggae ... etc.
   6 International music
       6.1 German-language music from Austria, Switzerland; other countries
   7 Popular festivals (or rather sort it by genres? though they're very mixed in Germany)
   8 Music journals
   9 References
   10 External links

What do you think? Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 12:55, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Off the top of my head I would add something non-German music that has a particular following in Germany. I am thinking of oddities like David Hasselhof that have a larger following in Germany than their home country. Agathoclea (talk) 20:12, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure I got that. No one in Germany really ever cared for the Hoff ;) Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 21:48, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Any more input? Thanks, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 10:35, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

I definantly support this, though if there's a significant difference in East and West pre-unification tastes, I'd want that distinction yo be retained.--krimin_killr21(talk) 04:19, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

I agree, but metal and NDW should be subcategories of rock, as they are rock subgenres.----MASHAUNIX 10:24, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons for images and other files

A Wikimedia Commons Category should be created for this article, including artists, performances, venues, etc. -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 14:07, 18 September 2014 (UTC)