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Update September 22nd, 2025

Wanted to offer an update on a few different things we have completed, are in progress to be completed, or planned before the complete depreciation of the old UI:

  • Adding the new commenting UI everywhere on Stack Overflow
  • Fixing mentions
  • Return keyboard shortcuts functionality
  • Separating comment voting privilege from comment flagging privilege. This means that commenting voting will be a standard feature regardless of rep.
  • Deleted comments show too much whitespace
  • Some issues with the profile comment active table
  • Return mini markdown hints on the comment box

Items that we may eventually add:

  • Bringing a complete editor to comments

Bugs or work that has already been completed:

  • Incorrect font is being used in code blocks in comments
  • Vote button not disabled on deleted comments
  • Only show top 5 comments by default
  • Some users couldn’t comment due to some caching issues
  • Too many comments are shown for some users by default
  • Returning the timestamp on hover
  • Add back the clickable timestamp
  • Highlight the question author's username in comments
  • A handful of small spacing, margin, type bugs.

There might be a handful of late additions to this list. While work on the commenting feature will continue, it will start to slow down after these items are completed. I will provide a final update when we have completed the depreciation of the old commenting UI on all completed work and any planned work from that point on.


Beginning this week, all users on Stack Overflow will see an updated UI for comments on both questions and answers. Variations of a new appearance for individual comments have been tested in various experiment groups since May 2025, and threaded replies were added into the experiment in June 2025.

The primary aim of these experiments was to encourage more users to comment, which would increase the number of comments, while avoiding any overall negative impact.

Experiment outcomes

The design below was the variation that performed the best.

screenshot of the new comment UI showing three comments with one of them threaded

The new commenting UI saw a statistically significant higher conversion, estimated to increase monthly comments by 5-8% and introduce 2,000+ new commenters. First time commenters were more likely to comment again using the new UI, a trend that continued even as lower-rep users gained the ability to comment as a result of the parallel experiment focused on lowering reputation required for commenting.

Related topics

Moderators have gained a new interface to monitor comment activity, which is on all network sites. We’ll continue to collect feedback on these changes with moderators.

Early in the experiment phases, we discussed changes to comment character limit, markup options, and the overall editor interface, but at this time there are no changes planned in those areas.

The parallel experiment focused on lowering reputation required for commenting remains ongoing at this time, and we’ll be following up with more about that in the coming weeks.

Next Steps

We still have a few loose ends to tie up. For one, we intend to add the updated UI to questions. We are actively working on this and plan to release it sometime in September. Once we have the new UI completed and deployed to both Q & A, it will mean the deprecation of the old commenting UI on all Q & A, We anticipate this work being completed late September or early October. We have some upcoming additional features for commenting that will further improve the experience upcoming; those improvements will be communicated as we get closer to their release.

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    I mean it's been told to you before but more comments = more noise. That in itself is a negative impact. Your stated goal is an oxymoron.
    cafce25
    –  cafce25
    2025-08-28 18:22:10 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 18:22
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    Anyone got a userscript ready to put comments back to the old style? I had to turn of experiments because of this change, I find the new layout very distracting from the questions and answers to the point it impacts my ability to use the site for its intended purpose.
    Daniel Black
    –  Daniel Black
    2025-08-28 18:24:48 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 18:24
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    "estimated to increase monthly comments by 5-8% and introduce 2,000+ new commenters" huh? Isn't that just because you ran this experiment in parallel with the experiment on decreasing the reputation requirements for commenting? You're quite bad at drawing conclusions, I'd say...
    Abdul Aziz Barkat
    –  Abdul Aziz Barkat
    2025-08-28 18:43:40 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 18:43
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    Cool, another "feature" that nobody wanted gets pushed through anyway. I wish I could say I'm surprised.
    John Montgomery
    –  John Montgomery
    2025-08-28 18:46:55 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 18:46
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    Please fix the comment dates so they are as functional as they were before the experiment, namely: make them hyperlinks to the comment anchor on the page, and make them show the exact date (day, month, and year) and the time they were posted once they are older than 2 days ago.
    TylerH
    –  TylerH
    2025-08-28 18:47:43 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 18:47
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    Despite the multitude of feedback you've received about how horrible this UI design is, you decide to graduate yet another poorly received experiment because of an estimated increase in comments. Lovely. Thanks for once again ignoring the community's feedback.
    devlin carnate
    –  devlin carnate
    2025-08-28 19:27:23 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 19:27
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    Why? Just why? We don't need more comments, they are second class citizens and they should be second class citizens. Just because occasionally there is some worthy discussion in comments, that does not mean they should get that much emphasis and space. And having more users posting comments because of the new UI is not a good thing. Nobody likes that UI and it does not have the functionality the old one has. Why do you have to push features nobody wants and likes.
    Dalija Prasnikar
    –  Dalija Prasnikar Mod
    2025-08-28 19:54:28 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 19:54
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    I love that the two links you included reference meta questions which have a combined score below -400 votes, yet this 'experiment' is still being promoted to production. I guess our feedback means nothing at this point, because I don't know how else we could signal any louder that these changes are not good. Do you care about feedback at all anymore?
    Daniel Black
    –  Daniel Black
    2025-08-28 20:44:24 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 20:44
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    "The design below was the variation that performed the best." Were there actually any other variations? Was there ever any intent to consider the possibility of not changing anything? Is there anything the community could tell you, collectively, that would ever convince you not to do whatever it is that you're thinking of doing? If not, what exactly is your purpose in posting to Meta about these changes?
    Karl Knechtel
    –  Karl Knechtel
    2025-08-29 03:02:54 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 3:02
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    Wow you really don't get it, Stack Overflow is not and has not ever been a social site. The comments make it so much harder to find an answer - i don't want scroll through how bill and ted refined the answer, i just want the answers. Find someone who you will actually listen to that has at least used the site before.
    Sayse
    –  Sayse
    2025-08-29 08:22:14 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 8:22
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    BUG You removed the Help link from the comments input widget! That link is especially useful if you can't memorize all the shorthand links. Please add that link back in. Or even better: Get rid of that whole effing "experiment"!
    Ocaso Protal
    –  Ocaso Protal
    2025-08-29 09:56:05 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 9:56
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    "The intent, as mentioned originally here, with these experiments has been to find ways to increase engagement." I don't know how this can possibly be made any clearer. The community does not want you to attempt to "increase engagement". We will not give you ideas on how to make that happen. We do not care what you think you "need". These actions destroy the only thing we ever cared about creating here.
    Karl Knechtel
    –  Karl Knechtel
    2025-08-29 15:12:39 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 15:12
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    @Hoid the way SE is working on these features makes it feel entirely futile to provide feedback. You're measuring engagement, and this change increased that by 5%, okay. It also made the comments take up more than twice as much space and breaks the flow when reading them because the buttons are in between comments. Nobody from SE seems to look at that, and we've complained plenty already.
    Mad Scientist
    –  Mad Scientist
    2025-08-29 16:27:29 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 16:27
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    @Hold The engagement you need to increase is people who can answer questions finding good questions to answer, so askers and searchers get good answers. That's the product that is in decline. You're chasing fluff that is easy to measure at the expense of what makes people come here in the first place. StackOverflow replaced horrible forums where every question got 20+ off-topic replies because concise, focused answers are better.
    user56reinstatemonica8
    –  user56reinstatemonica8
    2025-08-29 16:48:28 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 16:48
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    Regarding how to increase positive engagement: how do you expect people who answer questions to find relevant new questions to answer? I've got 8 "watched tags" and the questions on my homepage seem totally unrelated. Where can I see a flickering feed of new relevant questions, next to recommended questions that are semantically similar to questions I've answered and/or upvoted (an actual usecase for AI!), long-unanswered questions from the vaults, power-user's own custom feeds...? Right now, if I see a relevant question to answer, it's a fluke. Where are your content discovery features?
    user56reinstatemonica8
    –  user56reinstatemonica8
    2025-08-29 17:07:36 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 17:07

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The primary aim of these experiments was to encourage more users to comment, which would increase the number of comments, while avoiding any overall negative impact.

Having more comments on the site is not a positive outcome!

Stack Overflow is a site for questions and answers. Comments are useful for requesting clarifications or suggesting improvements to questions or answers. But simply having more comments does not mean that a change is positive for the site or the community:

  • Comments just saying "thanks", "+1", etc. are noise. The new design requires more clicks to flag unneeded comments, leading to more useless comments staying on the site.
  • Having the "add a comment" box at the top instead of the bottom, encourages people to write comments before reading the existing ones, leading to more superfluous comments saying things that others have already said.
  • Threaded comments encourage people to have multiple separate discussions on diverging topics, leading to more irrelevant comments which don't request clarity or propose improvements to the post they appear under.
  • The old design used colour to highlight comments with more upvotes. The new design makes it harder to see the most useful comments, so when people go to check if someone has already written the comment they want to write, they are more likely to miss it, leading to more duplicate comments.
  • Allowing code blocks in comments encourages post authors to add clarifying details in comments, instead of improving their post by adding those details with an edit.
  • The old design had some instructions: 'Use comments to ask for more information or suggest improvements. Avoid comments like "+1" or "thanks".' The new design lacks these instructions, presumably leading to more of these comments we don't want.
  • Displaying comment ages capped at "a year ago" encourages more responses to out-of-date comments, by hiding how out-of-date they are. (An SO staff member has confirmed, twice, that this is the intended consequence of this misfeature.)

OK, so you said "while avoiding any overall negative impact". But how have you measured that negative impact? Have you measured it? The way your post is written, it sounds like you just went with the design which maximised the number of comments, without subtracting any metric for the negative impact.

Personally, I would say that the raw number of comments is actually a quite reasonable rough metric for the negative impact of the change. Most posts only need a couple comments to iron out whatever improvements can be made to them, and any comments beyond that have diminishing returns and then probably negative value. Moreover, as mentioned above, the mechanics of the new design encourage more bad comments, but it's hard to see how any of the changes encourage people to write more good comments.

So, sorry to be a downer, but my belief is that you have optimised for the change which will cause the most harm out of all the designs you tried. This harm will be compounded in the longer term, as the presence of more useless, superfluous and irrelevant comments will teach new users that such comments are acceptable.


I suggest you scrap the harmful changes entirely, and for your next experiment, adopt a metric which measures the quality of Q&As. As @user56reinstatemonica8 notes, when you announced this 'experiment' you said the metric would be constructive comments, not just the total number of comments. One way to count good comments would be like this:

  • A comment is made by someone other than the author of a post,
  • After the author sees the comment, they make an edit to their post,
  • After the edit, some other user upvotes and/or reverts a downvote on the post. Bonus points if this is done by the user who wrote the comment, and bonus points if the commenter also deletes their own comment (indicating it was resolved).

Or this:

  • A comment is made by someone other than the author of the post.
  • The author of the post responds with another comment.
  • The first commenter sees the response and makes an edit to the post. Bonus points if they delete their own comment and/or flag the author's comment as "no longer needed".

These would be much better metrics for judging whether a change to the comments system is actually beneficial, because they would directly measure whether the additional comments are helping to improve the actual content that people come here for.

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    "Having more comments on the site is not a positive outcome!" More comments == more $$ from LLM AI partnerships for selling the data, I'm sure
    Coderino Javarino
    –  Coderino Javarino
    2025-08-29 12:20:53 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 12:20
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    Seriously, though, it should be obvious by now that to the site management, your statement "Having more comments on the site is not a positive outcome!" is simply false. They want (they need) eyeballs and engagement, and they believe that more comments == more engagement, so to them it's a positive outcome (or will be, if it "works"). All of our impassioned complaints about this are going to continue to fall on utterly deaf ears.
    Steve Summit
    –  Steve Summit
    2025-08-30 12:04:51 +00:00
    Commented Aug 30 at 12:04
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    @SteveSummit Eating the goose that lays the golden egg is a negative outcome, even if you were hungry before.
    kaya3
    –  kaya3
    2025-08-30 12:19:51 +00:00
    Commented Aug 30 at 12:19
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    @kaya3 I know what you mean, but the site management doesn't, or doesn't care, or doesn't agree. I assume they believe that the old, kvetchy experts are expendable. I assume they believe that there are sufficient experts who will put up with the changes and stay, or that new experts will come along, or that experts don't really matter any more, as long as there's enough "engagement".
    Steve Summit
    –  Steve Summit
    2025-08-30 12:34:10 +00:00
    Commented Aug 30 at 12:34
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    @SteveSummit I guess we just argue here to be able to say "we told you so" later on. It's just feedback and they can do whatever they want with it.
    NoDataDumpNoContribution
    –  NoDataDumpNoContribution
    2025-09-01 06:54:46 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 6:54
  • "Comments just saying "thanks", "+1", etc. are noise. The new design requires more clicks to flag unneeded comments, leading to more useless comments staying on the site." Complain because now you have to click 1 more time to censor people?
    jei
    –  jei
    2025-09-01 10:47:40 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 10:47
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    @jei throwing out garbage has nothing to do with censoring people
    cafce25
    –  cafce25
    2025-09-01 13:02:34 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 13:02
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    @jei If you go to Wikipedia and start editing articles to add "Thanks, this article really helped me!", and other editors remove that noise, is that censorship, or is it just making sure that Wikipedia stays useful? The fact is that if everyone who found SO helpful commented to say so, then SO wouldn't be anywhere near as helpful.
    kaya3
    –  kaya3
    2025-09-01 13:58:21 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 13:58
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    @kaya3 in (normal) human interactions just saying "thanks" IS helpful.
    jei
    –  jei
    2025-09-01 14:42:13 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 14:42
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    @jei If the only person who was ever going to see your comment was the person you were saying "thanks" to, then that would be quite different. If you go to a conference talk and afterwards, you go to the speaker and say "thanks" to them, that is a normal human interaction. If you go to a conference talk and at the end, stand up and say "thanks" and expect your gratitude to be included in the official recording that gets posted to YouTube, and get upset because they edited it out, that is not normal.
    kaya3
    –  kaya3
    2025-09-01 14:46:54 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 14:46
  • @kaya3 that's why at the end you clap your hands. And that it's usually recorded and accepted.
    jei
    –  jei
    2025-09-01 14:54:44 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 14:54
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    @jei And that's why on Stack Overflow, you upvote and/or mark an answer as "accepted". The answer's score is analogous to the amount of applause; we don't need to document each individual clap.
    kaya3
    –  kaya3
    2025-09-01 15:20:10 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 15:20
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    @Lundin The point is that if the change causes more comments to be made, what kind of additional comments are likely to made as a result of the change which wouldn't have been made otherwise? With threaded comments, the likelihood is that discussions will veer off into tangents, which is likely to mean more irrelevant comments, since all comments ought to focus on the post itself. Your user E, for instance, is writing irrelevant comments that shouldn't be encouraged, and a redesign shouldn't be trying to accommodate those comments. But A, B, C and D will comment regardless of the changes.
    kaya3
    –  kaya3
    2025-09-02 10:58:57 +00:00
    Commented Sep 2 at 10:58
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    I'm not saying threaded comments won't also be a useful feature for users A, B, C and D, I'm saying that the increase in the number of comments caused by this feature is probably not attributable to those users as much as it's attributable to user E. If User E gets his own thread then people are more likely to indulge them by adding comments that shouldn't be under that post.
    kaya3
    –  kaya3
    2025-09-02 11:03:06 +00:00
    Commented Sep 2 at 11:03
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    Also, having experienced this new date garbage for the first time today, I can say that my engagement is going to instantly DROP. I shook my head at three comments on the answer post I initially found before figuring out what was missing. And took a little longer to find the tool tip. I have zero interest in hovering over every single comment in well over two dozen responses to see if there is an actual up-to-date one. I looked to see if Meta had a new busy thread - bazinga. And here I am. Next, back to google - not interested in wasting my time on this site looking for recent-enough answers.
    LeeM
    –  LeeM
    2025-09-03 08:29:14 +00:00
    Commented Sep 3 at 8:29
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This is textbook Enshittification

You've started by choosing a terrible metric.

Comments have until now been seen basically as a necessary evil. A huge amount of effort has been spent on features to make comments less necessary, more transient, and easier to clean up.

It's like a supermarket which is losing sales measuring "number of people using the customer toilets".

Let's be clear: supermarkets should have customer toilets. They should be functional, and reasonably pleasant to use. They should not be the most attractive thing in the shop. And if every customer is needing the toilet before they leave, maybe you need to reduce your queues or something.

Then, in order to improve that metric, you've deliberately made things worse.

The most obvious example is the "more than one year ago" label - taking information away from users, to trick them into "engaging" in a completely meaningless way.

It's like the supermarket tricking people into walking into the toilets by making them look like the exit. Who cares if everyone trying to exit is now really annoyed, the metric went up!

The same goes for the outsized vote and reply buttons, and the removal of help text about what comments are for.

Maybe threading is a good idea, I don't know. But neither do you, because you measured completely the wrong thing, and mixed in deliberately bad UX.

Enjoy your busy toilets.

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    I think your analogy is excellent! Thank you for posting it. I hope that somebody in charge of this area at SE reads this, as well as least possibly some of the other great answers and comments, and considers what the almost unanimous message they are trying to convey, but I'm certainly not counting on it!
    John Omielan
    –  John Omielan
    2025-08-30 00:16:20 +00:00
    Commented Aug 30 at 0:16
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    "Enshittification" belongs in the OED! :-D
    Randall
    –  Randall
    2025-08-30 15:41:18 +00:00
    Commented Aug 30 at 15:41
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    The more people in the bathroom, the more people that are seeing all the flashy ads posted in and around it. Never mind if they're carving graffiti into the stalls - they saw the ads!!! Woooo!
    Randall
    –  Randall
    2025-08-30 17:46:53 +00:00
    Commented Aug 30 at 17:46
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    @Randall The OED in particular may not have got round to it yet, but it's pretty firmly established; the Macquarie Dictionary chose it as their Word of the Year for 2024
    IMSoP
    –  IMSoP
    2025-08-31 00:01:08 +00:00
    Commented Aug 31 at 0:01
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    Yes yes yes. It's absolutely bonkers that they're calling the % of users who comment a "conversion rate". Conversion rates are people doing the thing the site is for. "% of users who visit the homepage/ questions feed posting an answer that gets upvoted" would be a valid SO "conversion rate". Or "% of users who use search upvoting an answer". Calling"% who comment" a conversion rate shows they don't understand the site at all. What next, pretend using the "Flag a problem" button is "engagement" and try to increase the number of flagged problems? (that's almost what they're doing here!)
    user56reinstatemonica8
    –  user56reinstatemonica8
    2025-08-31 09:26:38 +00:00
    Commented Aug 31 at 9:26
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    It's not enshittification, it's just shit, plain and simple. This "design" wasn't put together by anyone who has ever had a thought about UX, it was vomited up by a college fratboy in exchange for a 6-pack of beer.
    Ian Kemp - SO dead by AI greed
    –  Ian Kemp - SO dead by AI greed
    2025-09-01 12:32:17 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 12:32
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    "Comments have until now been seen basically as a necessary evil" This isn't entirely correct - you have the main sites in mind, not the metas. Discussion between users on meta posts tagged discussion is a good thing and the Q&A system has been completely dysfunctional for this purpose. ->
    Lundin
    –  Lundin
    2025-09-02 08:01:51 +00:00
    Commented Sep 2 at 8:01
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    Instead of users discussing, we have a horrible system where each user is delivering a monologue. And one problem with that is that you may agree with some things in that monologue but not with others. For example, even though I disagree with you that comments are always just a necessary evil, I upvoted this post since I agree with the rest of it. It's a very clunky and cumbersome way to host discussions.
    Lundin
    –  Lundin
    2025-09-02 08:01:54 +00:00
    Commented Sep 2 at 8:01
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    @Lundin That's because the platform as a whole is not built for discussions. It was very explicitly designed for Questions & Answers. Replacing the meta sites with a proper threaded discussion forum might actually be a good idea - but ironically, they haven't rolled out this new commenting experience on any meta sites, only on the flagship Q&A site.
    IMSoP
    –  IMSoP
    2025-09-02 08:08:52 +00:00
    Commented Sep 2 at 8:08
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    Be that as it may, it isn't rocket science to hide away comments/discussions behind some expandable, threaded menu so that they don't distract needlessly. As was done elsewhere on the Internet pretty much since the dawn of time. (See Reddit, Youtube etc etc.) Any rookie of user interface design will be able to do that and understand why it makes sense. In fact it takes an impressive amount of incompetence to not understand that, as if the user interface designers live off grid in the woods and have never in their life used the Internet before...
    Lundin
    –  Lundin
    2025-09-02 09:15:05 +00:00
    Commented Sep 2 at 9:15
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    Here's a sneaky one I just noticed: they now show "Add a comment" buttons even before you expand "Show more comments" when long comment sections are collapsed, to game the numbers by tricking people into posting time-wasting duplicate comments that have already been posted. What's that like? Removing locks from toilet cubicles to game more "customer enters cubicle" events? (because even if all they do is say "Oh sorry" and back straight out again, the number went up?)
    user56reinstatemonica8
    –  user56reinstatemonica8
    2025-09-02 16:10:43 +00:00
    Commented Sep 2 at 16:10
  • The manager's new initiative is to put laxatives in the free samples. "Do I smell a raise?" 💩
    Mentalist
    –  Mentalist
    2025-09-25 15:07:13 +00:00
    Commented Sep 25 at 15:07
  • your last sentence should be removed.
    Billal BEGUERADJ
    –  Billal BEGUERADJ
    2025-09-26 15:01:13 +00:00
    Commented Sep 26 at 15:01
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Is this release coming with the anti-accessiblity feature that all dates are displayed as "over a year ago"? Please, I hope not, it's a terrible experience for those that can't access information hidden behind tooltips. This was requested, but like a lot of stuff around this "improvement", has been ignored.

Are keyboard shortcuts fixed? Last I checked, they weren't.

Is this release going out across network, and to questions, so that there's a consistent experience, and so that other sites can feedback on (how poor) the UX this has been for long term users, so that maybe you'll fix some of the issues that have long been ignored and forced many to turn experiments off?

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    This "feature" @Hoid . I agree, January 2020 was "over one year ago", but so too was July 2024, November 2010, and 12 May 1666... You hide the actual time behind a tooltip which aren't accessible to many.
    Thom A
    –  Thom A Mod
    2025-08-28 19:05:03 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 19:05
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    "There are no plans to push this network-wide currently" so once again, Stack Overflow have to suffer the problems even though it has the largest user base, @Hoid ? Why is SO Inc so anti-SO user? With respect, what have they done to offend SO Inc?
    Thom A
    –  Thom A Mod
    2025-08-28 19:06:39 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 19:06
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    @ThomA maybe we should setup a network site for stackoverflow and use it instead. That way we aren't forced to deal with all these 'successful' experiments.
    Daniel Black
    –  Daniel Black
    2025-08-28 20:39:36 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 20:39
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    This is the problem I hate the most. More than 90% of the posts I'm viewing are over a year old when I'm browsing for a solution, and so all the comments just show "over one year ago." That’s completely useless for context, because I can’t tell if someone’s advice is from last year or a decade ago without hovering over every single comment and waiting half a second for the tooltip to pop up. Not everyone is working on bleeding-edge technologies.
    SyndRain
    –  SyndRain
    2025-08-28 20:59:54 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 20:59
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    Even if they are, solutions from 10-15 years ago may still be one of the "better" answers, @SyndRain .
    Thom A
    –  Thom A Mod
    2025-08-28 21:02:01 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 21:02
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    @hoid why are there no plans to push this network-wide? I mean I don't want network-wide because I think it's a big step down from the old comments feature. But why is this planned as an SO-only feature? If threaded comments are useful, they would likely be useful on the whole network.
    Mad Scientist
    –  Mad Scientist
    2025-08-28 21:19:40 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 21:19
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    Things like keyboard short cuts, and knowing when a comment is written are useful for experienced users - and not something you'd notice unless you're a heavy user of the website. While I get the desire for trying to help new users have a more 'familiar' environment, its also worth thinking about the effects changes have on new users. Tooltips are anti-accessible because folks who can't use a mouse, or on mobile don't have good ways to use them, and generally, information that's not obvious is as good as not being there. Keyboard short cuts can tie into quality of life tools.
    Journeyman Geek
    –  Journeyman Geek
    2025-08-28 22:08:20 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 22:08
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    In a sense, as much as designing for, and understanding the needs of new users, listening to and understanding the needs of folks who spend dozens or even hundreds of hours a week on the network is pretty important. Understanding the meaning here might be essential for this to be accepted.
    Journeyman Geek
    –  Journeyman Geek
    2025-08-28 22:17:41 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 22:17
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    Agreed, "over a year ago" is useless in context. If I'm viewing an answer from 2012 and someone states in a comment "this is outdated now" - outdated from when? 2013? 2023? who knows? SO may as well just put "this comment was posted" in lieu of "over a year ago", it imparts basically the same info.
    Robotnik
    –  Robotnik
    2025-08-29 00:59:11 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 0:59
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    Yes! The "over a year ago" dates prevent you from assessing which version of software the answer is about! In my world eg Excel VBA this is important. There is good content being lost here. Shareholders take note SOMEBODY SHOULD GET FIRED!!!
    MT1
    –  MT1
    2025-08-29 07:37:41 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 7:37
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    @Hoid 'In terms of "anti-accessibility" features, what exactly are you referring to?' - literally everything in this garbage design, starting from the huge amount of space that is now wasted for comments. If you did a side-by-side comparison of the three comments in your example screenshot with the old version, you would see that the old version takes up less than half of the space. That alone should be enough to discredit anyone pushing this crap. Additionally, many other use cases (comment time, identifying OP, flagging, shortcuts) are now worse or simply unsupported. This is user-hostile.
    l4mpi
    –  l4mpi
    2025-08-29 13:16:03 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 13:16
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    @MadScientist The plan currently is to not, though that isn't a shut door. There will be further discussions around it in the future, if the whole thing should be expanded, some of it, or none of it. The plan was always to work on it on SO, then discuss a possible network release. Honestly can tell you that I don't think anyone has an opinion/agenda for it to go one way or the other as of today.
    Hoid
    –  Hoid StaffMod
    2025-08-29 15:18:47 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 15:18
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    @Hoid Will any of that future discussion include the possibility of removing it on SO? Or are we just stuck with it regardless of the overwhelmingly negative feedback?
    John Montgomery
    –  John Montgomery
    2025-08-29 18:41:46 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 18:41
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    @MT1 You hit the nail on the head! -> STOCKHOLDERS <- Any time a product or company becomes beholden to stockholders, it becomes CRAP. I've seen it before, a place where I worked - and left. Travis J called it: "this is now going to be purely governed by monetary milestones" They want more ad views.
    Randall
    –  Randall
    2025-08-30 17:28:12 +00:00
    Commented Aug 30 at 17:28
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    For an example, I'm looking at this answer which was substantially edited at multiple points and trying to figure out which comments can be removed. Having to hover over the timestamp to see the exact date, then check the revision history, then go back and double-check the date, is so annoying.
    wjandrea
    –  wjandrea
    2025-09-22 14:39:08 +00:00
    Commented Sep 22 at 14:39
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Please explain how celebrating

The new commenting UI saw a statistically significant higher conversion, estimated to increase monthly comments by 5-8% and introduce 2,000+ new commenters.

is consistent with the Tour page's

Screenshot from Tour page: "This site is all about getting answers. It's not a discussion forum. There's no chit-chat. ❓ Just questions… ❗ …and answers."

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    My prediction is that this will disappear in the night soon just like Google's "don't be evil" slogan.
    Mario Carneiro
    –  Mario Carneiro
    2025-09-16 12:53:36 +00:00
    Commented Sep 16 at 12:53
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    @MarioCarneiro "...Aaaaaaand it's gone."
    Mateen Ulhaq
    –  Mateen Ulhaq
    2025-09-20 07:55:42 +00:00
    Commented Sep 20 at 7:55
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Why is there a giant header "3 comments"?

Why is the button to create a new comment as wide as the post body?

Why are the timestamps crap? (I think enough people have commented on the details here)

Why are comment author and the comment action buttons on separate lines, using up more space than necessary?

Okay, the last point is probably a bit tricky to implement. But I think it's worth it to optimize for space here a bit as otherwise comments get excessively noisy and large.

Just throwing a bunch of flawed designs into action and choosing the one with the best arbitrary engagement numbers is not a particularly good way to develop features like this.

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    You forgot "why is the "Add a comment" at the top, before they've presumably even read the existing comments?"
    Catija
    –  Catija
    2025-08-28 21:46:47 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 21:46
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    @Catija The live design has two "Add a comment" buttons/links. One of them after the comments. Though I don't think I have exactly the same design as the winner of the A/B test on my account. But yeah, I think after the comments would be a more organic place for that action. But that would likely decrease engagement, so it wouldn't win this A/B test
    Mad Scientist
    –  Mad Scientist
    2025-08-28 21:49:49 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 21:49
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    Wait... you mean that good design and design that leads to engagement aren't always the same thing?
    Catija
    –  Catija
    2025-08-28 21:54:19 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 21:54
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    @Catija I don't like being this mean and dismissive, but SE does seem to have fallen into the trap of thinking that "this button is bigger so more people click it" is a reasonable way to measure whether a UI change is good or bad.
    Mad Scientist
    –  Mad Scientist
    2025-08-28 21:58:00 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 21:58
  • For the "last point" I wrote a userscript (the 2nd image in my answer) and it worked fine. I dunno why'd say it's tricky. p.s. I understand a userscript is not the same but it's pretty damn close (most of the time it's easier to make something usable than writing a userscript to fix a bad design).
    M--
    –  M--
    2025-08-29 00:49:10 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 0:49
  • @M-- it's a bit tricky to make this look good on all possible screen sizes and content. I also wouldn't move the buttons all the way to the right like you did, this isn't the place where I'd expect the reply and vote buttons and might be a bit confusing.
    Mad Scientist
    –  Mad Scientist
    2025-08-29 06:36:58 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 6:36
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Another specific valuable feature of the old comment UI that has been lost and makes using SO worse: good comments no longer stand out.

There used to be a really nice visual hierarchy: answers stand out from comments, then, individual good comments stand out from the others, through the bolder colouring of the upvote number. The whole comment section took a step back, then valuable comments took a small step forward.

Here's a real-life issue I just hit on reading an answer. In the old UI:

screenshot

The important +14 comment about wss: really stands out and is hard to miss, even when skim-reading, thanks to the deeper reddish colour of the number in a calm-low-contrast area. This is good. It's part of one of the things that really made StackOverflow stand out from the competitors - the important information stands out, the rest is present but easy to skim over.

In the new UI:

screenshot

...everything is shouting at the same volume. I'm posting this here now because I completely missed that important comment on the first read, until I returned to figure out why the answer hadn't worked. Nothing about the comment block stood out from the rest (and the whole block looks like the comments under a blog or news site, so I think I just instinctively tuned it out).

That's on an answer with only 3 comments. On an answer with lots of comments it's worse:

screenshot

The +33 one doesn't stand out at all unless you've learned to specifically look for such things. In the old UI, it did stand out:

screenshot

It was a good design feature that helped first-time users and regular users alike to not miss important information.


Side note... I also just noticed you have not one but two "Add a comment" buttons and you show them even when the comment section is collapsed. What possible justification could you have for encouraging people to add new comment before they can even see if their comment has already been posted, other than to game the metrics?

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    This is such a big issue for me, and it is really bad that staff simply chose to ignore this. Each time I open an SO page while logged-out, I now have to spend significant time scanning for relevant comments, which the old UI conveniently made stand out. Right now I can solve this problem by logging in, but it is apparent that this won't work forever. I generally appreciate threaded comments, but the new UI is way too bloated and emphasizes the wrong information. This update considerably decreases efficiency for me and makes SO in general less useful by yet another degree.
    janw
    –  janw
    2025-10-05 08:04:04 +00:00
    Commented Oct 5 at 8:04
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    Since this didn't get any response from staff I've preposted it as a standalone question
    user56reinstatemonica8
    –  user56reinstatemonica8
    2025-10-06 11:18:07 +00:00
    Commented Oct 6 at 11:18
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D O N ' T    W A S T E    M Y    S C R E E N    S P A C E   ! !

I like to think of myself as pretty easy-going. I skim meta, usually just clicking on one of the "featured" posts.

The previous concerns raised repeatedly by everyone on SO are all valid points; but they are just esoteric enough that I let them slide off my back. I'm not a mod, so I can deal with an extra comment to one of my questions or answers, ok fine. Crappy timestamps? I've gotten used to that in so many other places that wouldn't know UX even if they could spell it, in the name of user "friendliness" - Bleh, I'll choose to ignore it   :- |

But this change ticks me off!!!

I hit a cached SO page that I'd looked at a day or two ago for... something - you derailed my train of thought frankly. DON'T DO THAT. It's really annoying

So I was going to vote up a comment, but it told me I wasn't logged in. So, OK, I log back in, and

BOOM

after the refresh all of a sudden I have a screen full of comments. They're taking up so much space I don't see the question anymore. They're taking up twice as much space as before.

When I scroll to find the question, I scroll over it. Between the amount of space they take up and their formatting and the prominence of all the avatars with their dazzling colors -- that's all I see.

Yeah, sure, I can see the question, but why do I have to dig for it? Why do I have to buy a larger trackpad now to practice long jumps over the comments to get to the next answer?

The site is barely usable to me now. And it's SO irritating (pun intended) that it's ruined my evening when I was actually making good progress on debugging a complicated issue. (Yeah, OK, working on the Friday evening of a holiday weekend. I've got no life. That's beside the point)

This is NOT Reddit Overflow

This is a Q&A site - NOT a comment thread discussion site. If I want to sort through a lot of cruft to find something useful, I'll go over to Reddit and do that.

Maybe, just maybe this kind of change would be ok on the "Arqade" or "Science Fiction and Fantasy" or "Movies and TV" communities.

But this is a tech community. We're NO NONSENSE. Don't give me color unless it means something. I don't want sounds of random object from marbles to bowling balls falling on a tin roof, just to distract me with something I don't care about right now. I don't want stupid auto-replacement of emojis when I send email about Date::Parse and get Date:😋arse! I don't want emoji's at all - An ASCII face is plenty >:-(   I program in Vim. It just stays out of my way.

That's what I want from SO - STAY OUT OF MY WAY!!!

OR, put another way, just give me The Truth, the Whole Truth, and Nothing But the Truth Anything else, and that's when you hear the gavel crack and a command for ORDER!

Have you enjoyed the waste of your screen space here? Good! Because that's what we are all experiencing now, too, on top of all the other effects this change causes.

pssst - did you know you have a UX community? Did you ever think of asking them?
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    Don't piss me off. Just... don't. You'll get an earful, and I'll be wasting my time with you, instead of doing something productive. I joined long enough ago, that I got 'Randall' as my handle - I've seen a lot... this takes the cake.
    Randall
    –  Randall
    2025-08-30 17:50:08 +00:00
    Commented Aug 30 at 17:50
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    "I got 'Randall' as my handle" ­– just FYI user names are not unique.
    cafce25
    –  cafce25
    2025-08-30 20:29:10 +00:00
    Commented Aug 30 at 20:29
  • As a moderator on a larger site, and a tiny one, given a choice, I wouldn't take this option.
    Journeyman Geek
    –  Journeyman Geek
    2025-08-31 07:10:47 +00:00
    Commented Aug 31 at 7:10
  • @JourneymanGeek - could you clarify? Which option do you mean? The only thing I was advocating for was keeping a minimalist UI
    Randall
    –  Randall
    2025-08-31 13:32:07 +00:00
    Commented Aug 31 at 13:32
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    I mean, I wouldn't find a big benefit in threaded comments
    Journeyman Geek
    –  Journeyman Geek
    2025-08-31 13:33:48 +00:00
    Commented Aug 31 at 13:33
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    For what it's worth, as a moderator on Arqade, I am very much not looking forward to this comment format being rolled out on my site either, and I'm fairly certain I'm not alone in that sentiment.
    Robotnik
    –  Robotnik
    2025-10-01 06:34:47 +00:00
    Commented Oct 1 at 6:34
  • I stumbled back on the place that the emoji auto-“correct” irritates me the most: Jira. Another IT-centric system that just doesn’t get its audience. I use Jira because I have to. I used SO because it was the best thing out there. I still use it because I trust it, but I’m not sure I’d call it the best thing out there anymore.
    Randall
    –  Randall
    2025-10-01 14:16:10 +00:00
    Commented Oct 1 at 14:16
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Is there going to be an option to turn off the new and improved worsened UI. Especially since it:

  • hides information some want to have
  • massively distracts from actual answers
  • massively increases wasted space

Up until graduation, one can at least opt out of experiments; now we lose that option.

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    I really hope they give us a proper way to disable this terrible UI but I don't expect that to be the case. I'm hoping someone from the community can create a userscript or something to revert this back. Maybe I'll take a crack at it if no one else does, but there are some userscript wizards here so I'm guessing (hoping) they'll beat me to it.
    Daniel Black
    –  Daniel Black
    2025-08-28 18:53:11 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 18:53
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    The old UI will be available via opt-out until we deprecate the old commenting UI sometime between the end of September/early October.
    Hoid
    –  Hoid StaffMod
    2025-08-28 19:01:47 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 19:01
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    @Hoid so after that there will be no option and all users will need to use the new layout?
    Daniel Black
    –  Daniel Black
    2025-08-28 19:03:05 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 19:03
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    @DanielBlack Yes, after that it will be the only commenting UI available, unless users decide to create their own userscript to alter it.
    Hoid
    –  Hoid StaffMod
    2025-08-28 19:22:32 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 19:22
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    @Hoid ...or unless you implement some bugfixes and feature requests to continue improving upon it, right?
    TylerH
    –  TylerH
    2025-08-28 19:52:44 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 19:52
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    @TylerH As I said in the Next Steps section, there are still additional improvements and features to be added.
    Hoid
    –  Hoid StaffMod
    2025-08-28 20:42:03 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 20:42
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    It feels more like the company is pushing yet another incomplete and broken thing nobody asked for tbh @Hoid And from the track record I don't have much faith many of these urgently requred bugfixes are going to come.
    cafce25
    –  cafce25
    2025-08-28 20:47:00 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 20:47
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    @Hoid we just don't get to know what those additional improvements and features are. Some vague promises don't mean much from the company these days.
    Daniel Black
    –  Daniel Black
    2025-08-28 20:47:46 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 20:47
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    @Hoid why not first make the additional improvements before graduating something riddled with bugs?
    M--
    –  M--
    2025-08-28 21:48:07 +00:00
    Commented Aug 28 at 21:48
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    @cafce25 It's not quite the case that nobody asked for it; threaded comments were a feature request here and here. The thing is, when people did ask for it, the community already explained why it was a bad idea. We know SO staff have seen those discussions (since they're linked from this post), so, when SO made this change they already knew some of the problems we would have with it, and doing it anyway.
    kaya3
    –  kaya3
    2025-08-29 12:28:56 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 12:28
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    @Hoid The Next Steps section doesn't cover the regressions in functionality that were reported previously, left unaddressed, and that are being re-reported here; it just says you are going to apply the comments change to questions as well as answers. You do mention some unspecified (for some reason?) 'additional features', but surely if you intended to fix/revert all the UI aspects that broke or got worse with the new layout, you wouldn't hide them behind an 'improvements' hint--you'd explicitly mention that you plan to fix them, so people here would stop complaining about them... right?
    TylerH
    –  TylerH
    2025-08-29 13:52:30 +00:00
    Commented Aug 29 at 13:52
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    @Hoid, why don't you turn on the new reply feature here, so you can get to experience the atrocity personally?
    Randall
    –  Randall
    2025-08-30 16:52:35 +00:00
    Commented Aug 30 at 16:52
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    The worst part about this is that userscripts would not fix it. It is not just 'ugly', it is teaching people to use the site in a way that creates noise rather than clarity. The mid and long-term effect of this will affect users with any UI.
    julaine
    –  julaine
    2025-09-01 10:58:43 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 10:58
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    @Randall it's ironic but the new comments would actually make a lot of sense on meta. The Q&A format never really was a good fit to the discussions we regularely hold and people often comment things that further the discussion and should probably be answers in the Q&A format. Or in short on meta the comments often are the main content and having extra focus on them wouldn't hurt the big picture.
    cafce25
    –  cafce25
    2025-09-01 11:12:08 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 11:12
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    So how TF can we revert to the UI that works for the few moments more that you deign to let us use it? "Available" where?
    LeeM
    –  LeeM
    2025-09-03 08:37:15 +00:00
    Commented Sep 3 at 8:37
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The design below was the variation that performed the best.

Well, amongst the variations you've tried; there were many suggestions to improve this design. I will put aside all the functionalities that broke due to this. Keyboard shortcuts and userscripts are not akin to CPU overheating, but let's brush past all the bugs as they've been already brought up in the other answer and elsewhere.

However, what about suggestions that already bowed to the idea that we need more noise on the page? I did bring up balpha's userscript:

Or even a simpler change of moving the vote/reply/... to the side to save a little bit of space, so we can see a little more of the actual content (i.e. answers):

The parallel experiment focused on lowering reputation required for commenting remains ongoing at this time, and we’ll be following up with more about that in the coming weeks.

On another note, have you thought about the effects of making flagging harder (hiding it) while experimenting with lowering rep requirement for commenting?


Let me go on a bit of a tangent here: every time I see an experiment and I say that it is not a viable product, I get this almost boilerplate response that this is just an experiment. Yet, every time nothing meaningful changes at the end. We get some line like this performed the best and the sub-optimal design stays around... touché.

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    So I can no longer @ somebody in a reply? Seriously? Or am I missing something?
    Randall
    –  Randall
    2025-08-30 16:42:02 +00:00
    Commented Aug 30 at 16:42
  • So, for existing comments, where there are not any replies already, but the OA responded to another user's clarification using "the method previously known as @" then... If I now use the current method of replying, who does it go to??? I want it to go to both the OA and the commenter, but I can't tell who will get it (but presumably the OA does). And furthermore, I can't @ either of them, so I can't make sure the commenter gets my reply, too.
    Randall
    –  Randall
    2025-08-30 16:46:35 +00:00
    Commented Aug 30 at 16:46
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    @Randall I believe that's correct. You can no longer do that. It'd be interesting when they extend it to questions and so some of the functionalities that exist today (like @dupe-hammer) would stop working (along with them some of them moderation capabilities). I am sure there are more bugs down the road that we haven't even thought of them. Perks of releasing a half-baked feature.
    M--
    –  M--
    2025-08-30 22:05:19 +00:00
    Commented Aug 30 at 22:05
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There's a lot of concern about what metrics you used to judge the experiment a success, and I think a feeling you moved the goalposts, replacing goals that are positive but hard to measure with ones that are negative but easy to measure.

In the initial post announcing the experiment, you said:

Our primary metric will be an increase in constructive engagement within comments. We will also closely monitor comment flags and deletion rates to understand the impact on content quality and moderation load.

The response was mixed: many specific disliked details and general distrust, mixed with some cautious positivity and agreement that this was a worthy goal. Then, here, you said:

The primary aim of these experiments was to encourage more users to comment, which would increase the number of comments, while avoiding any overall negative impact.

This is very different:

  1. "constructive engagement within comments" (a good thing that is hard to measure) became "increase the number of comments" (a bad thing that is easy to measure).

    • Comment volume might be (usually?) a good thing on a social networking site but is not a good thing on a site where comments are more about problem-reporting and user-led moderation than social interaction or content creation. It would be like a social network rebranding their "Report a problem" button as "Engagement".
    • The initial post seemed to understand this, and treated comments as a means to an end not an end in themselves. This post and the staff replies seem to treat all comments as positive "engagement" which must be increased at all costs.
  2. "closely monitor comment flags and deletion rates to understand the impact" was going to be a key part of the evaluation, but was relegated to a vague claim that the changes are "avoiding any overall negative impact" without any evidence cited.

    • What evidence is the claim that there is no negative impact based on? A lot of posts have asked but I don't see direct replies to this.
    • In particular how are you addressing the concern that overall increases in the number and prominence of comments will cause damage that builds slowly and is hard to measure (and hard to undo)? We'd expect slowly lowering satisfaction among users who like solving problems, obscured by quickly increasing satisfaction among users who enjoy arguing with strangers, leading to a slowly-accelerating long-term decline. How do you measure that in a short experiment?
    • If your metrics included things like user satisfaction, did you include users who opted out of the experiment? Or did you filter it to only include users who liked the experiment enough to not disable it?
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    It's not even just moving the goalposts ─ it's moving the goalposts after they already kicked the ball and (presumably) missed the goalposts where they had originally put them, then claiming to have scored a goal.
    kaya3
    –  kaya3
    2025-09-01 14:04:21 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 14:04
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Apart from the lost functionality with time stamps the biggest issue for me is the dilution of useful content by giving comments so much more importance and screen space now compared to before. This makes the site much less informative and lowers the value for almost everyone considerably.

From the more than 90 million comments on SO, surely 80 million are purely rubbish. And you decided to display them more prominently. Hey, look at our rubbish, we have the best one in town. In comparison, current LLM interfaces often look much more focused and clean. It's sad but it's true: you want us to go. You hide the real value, which is predominantly in questions and answers.

How could this happen?

Your metric is broken in multiple ways. Not only is not every engagement equal but there is more and less useful engagement. And while number of comments are one part, you probably didn't check if there are more or less questions in the long run. My guess would be that the higher number of comments will come at the expense of lower number of questions and answers, overall higher dilution of content.

You seem to have given up competing with LLMs, which curiously enough offer much higher information density, and instead see your future as a social network. That's fine by me, although I personally have no interest in tons of programmers chitchat. But others may be interested in that. I can easily go somewhere else and you can continue with the development here. No problem. I'm just interested in understanding the directions you take.

Time to take out the graphics I used when you started to discuss the topic on Meta.SE. Do you see the problem?

Mockup from question with annotations showing how even more space is cluttered with noise instead of informatiom

No solution for the dilution.

P.S. I remember that I liked the three lanes model introduced in the community AMA in March this year. I thought it allows for width (different kinds of content) and depth (high quality) at the same time. But this design change now is the complete opposite and instead mingles everything. Who needs chat if you can chat in comments? Who will find interesting content if it's hidden by chats? Obviously engagement as metric has no sense of usefulness of the engagement nor long term effects.

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    It isn't just the size, comments are now allowed for discussion.
    philipxy
    –  philipxy
    2025-08-31 16:25:13 +00:00
    Commented Aug 31 at 16:25
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    @philipxy Or for asking follow-up questions in comments. Could we even theoretically close follow up questions? I don't know. And I don't need to know because very likely I will mostly watch the outcome.
    NoDataDumpNoContribution
    –  NoDataDumpNoContribution
    2025-08-31 16:58:48 +00:00
    Commented Aug 31 at 16:58
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Not even mentioning the waste of screenspace by any other of the improvements, we also lost information to meaningless screen clutter, that is even longer than the original information. strlen("Over a year ago") == 15 vs. strlen("2014-04-09") == 10. Working with long running frameworks it is VERY relevant if an answer is (in the case of Qt for example) from the Qt4, Qt5 or Qt6 era, since not everybody specifies their used version.

Image showing the date being shorter than Over a year ago

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    As an FYI, there's a bug report for this.
    Thom A
    –  Thom A Mod
    2025-09-04 10:45:50 +00:00
    Commented Sep 4 at 10:45
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    "that is even longer than the original information" - It is not. The original information included the time of day as well (i.e., "MMM dd, yyyy at h:mm", making it 20 or 21 characters).
    IInspectable
    –  IInspectable
    2025-09-06 12:07:54 +00:00
    Commented Sep 6 at 12:07
  • @IInspectable. You forgot to write "ackchyually". Of course you could make it longer by utilizing some arbitrary (uselessly) large resolution. Or you could take the sensible route and use 2014-04 which is only 7 characters guaranteed for the next 8 millenia.
    Baumflaum
    –  Baumflaum
    2025-09-07 12:18:49 +00:00
    Commented Sep 7 at 12:18
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    No one seems to like the loss of information, so I don't understand why you're trying to make a point by way of false claims. If you'd like to see the "original information" trimmed to an arbitrary resolution, then that is a feature request (one I wouldn't be in favor of).
    IInspectable
    –  IInspectable
    2025-09-08 06:40:57 +00:00
    Commented Sep 8 at 6:40
  • @IInspectable a date without a time is both shorter and more informative than "over a year ago." I'm not sure why you would be in favor of the way it is now compared to that.
    John Montgomery
    –  John Montgomery
    2025-09-09 23:09:03 +00:00
    Commented Sep 9 at 23:09
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    @JohnMontgomery I'm in favor of the "original information", i.e., date and time. I'm not in favor of arbitrarily adjusting the resolution based on the time that has passed.
    IInspectable
    –  IInspectable
    2025-09-17 12:53:42 +00:00
    Commented Sep 17 at 12:53
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The UI truncates comment-replies after telling the user it will fit. I think it's including an invisible @user plus 2 more characters, but not counting that against the 600 character limit that's shown to the user. (The user I was replying to has a space in their username; without the space it's 12 characters; with a leading @ and a trailing space it's 14. I haven't tried this when replying to a user without a space in their name.)

After editing my comment down to not exceed the available length the UI told me, so I had "0 characters left", I posted. The end of the last sentence was missing. Clicking edit (which now takes 2 clicks with mouse movement between), it was still gone, but the UI told me I had 15 characters left. Typing them back in, they got truncated again.

(This was already reported in early July on Experimenting with Threaded Replies I hadn't checked that thread.)


Other functionality regressions that haven't been mentioned yet:

The UI only shows you how many characters are left when you're within 120 of the limit. The old UI shows the count all the time, so I can more easily estimate if I have room to start on a thought which would take 3 sentences, or if I should try to phrase it more compactly and leave something out. It sucks to look for something that's sometimes not there; takes longer to be sure you didn't miss it than to just glance at a number that's always there. Starting gray and turning faint orange at <360 left, brighter at <240, and full orange at <120 was much nicer. (And red when over the limit, like the current UI). Maybe other people that don't type as much will like having one less thing on the screen? I hate it.

Also, undoing a vote doesn't ask for confirmation. If you mis-click, you could undo a vote and not be able to redo it. When I was first trying the new UI, I was puzzled at how long it was spinning for after I clicked, and tried clicking again since I thought it hadn't gone through. This ended up undoing a vote since I was still clicking when it finally did go through.

(I've been using the old voting system for over a decade, unlike potential new users of SO. So I'm used to the old asynchronous system which didn't wait confirmation, just popped up a message later if there was a problem.) But the old comment-vote system still exists on questions, and other non-SO stackexchange sites, so it's potentially confusing to have it different, but I assume having both is intended to be temporary. I liked the old system. Having a spinning UI element for a second or two is distracting when you already see another comment you want to reply to, or you want to edit the comment you just posted but can't because it's still spinning.)

Editing feels slow. You can't get back into the editor after noticing a second mistake for several seconds after saving the first time. I'm usually still proofreading as I hit enter on an edit. (To make sure at least the first edit gets in under the grace period, but mostly just to optimize for the common case where there isn't anything else I want to edit.) With the old UI, there's an [edit] link directly clickable, and there's negligible latency for either editing or saving. (If you finish your second edit too fast, you run into the 1 per 5 second rate limit on comment edits, but being able to open the textbox and be editing during those 5 seconds is a big advantage.)


When you have two "reply" textboxes open under different comments on the same answer, posting one of them closes the other, discarding any text you typed. (I think I'm remembering that correctly; I think I just had it open to play around with the displayed length limit, I don't think I actually lost anything, but I would have if my ADHD brain had started another reply before coming back to finish one I'd started earlier.) The previous comment UI didn't let you have multiple comment boxes open at all, of course, which was also annoying when composing a reply to one comment when a new comment came in and you wanted to give a quick reply to that first while the other human is still right there, but at least it didn't tempt you into data loss.


?

The nesting limit seems arbitrary. After a couple levels, there's no "reply" button and you have to click "reply" on the parent of the comment you actually want to reply to. But do they get notified? Super unclear if that happens automatically, like if all previous commenters in a subthread will get notified. I've been typing @user to manually notify them in that case, but there isn't auto-complete for @user names in the new UI so this sucks a lot.

(Something possibly related to this was mentioned in Experimenting with Threaded Replies , but at that point the @user stuff was still visible and/or you still got auto-completion.)

Are we supposed to be able to notify other users who have commented in different subthreads of the same comment section? Surely by typing @username, which should autocomplete.

Update: Replying to the parent of the comment you're actually replying to does notify that person, at least in the case I tested. But their comment might have been the grandparent of the one I clicked "reply" on, so I'm still not sure exactly who gets notified if a third person jumps in at the deepest level. Is there a help page about this? https://stackoverflow.com/help/search?q=comments and https://stackoverflow.com/help/search?q=notification don't have anything.

Being sure that the person you're replying to will get notified is an essential feature for chat, and now we don't have that without manually typing a username.


My thoughts on the feature and layout

Threaded comments would be very very good, something that could hide clutter and make it possible to not arbitrarily delete even useful comments. The fact that useful comments (not just clutter and noise) can and do get deleted or moved to chat is one of the worst things about the comment system and how the community treats them. (Especially in lower-traffic tags like [assembly] and [cpu-architecture] where real clutter is rare and there is a lot of interesting stuff for people to add as comments on each other's answers, or to discuss possible performance experiments we can try to better understand something, for example.)

So I'm very much in favour of a better comment system that makes them less of a second-class citizen. That seems to me like it was partly just a necessity born out of the limited flat comment system that SO has always had. (But also because it's even better if the good stuff is in answers, not just comments. But that's sometimes a lot of work, and IMO it's better to have the discussion between experts kept around in comments until it makes it into an answer.) Other than arguments that comments shouldn't matter, I agree with 99% of what everyone else has been saying.

(Comments are great and have lots of value. But they should still stay out of the way by default, not take up lots of space and visual attention between answers for people just looking for answers.)

But this new UI for them is so bad that I'd rather have the old system. Apart from the bugs and worse usability when actually commenting, takes up way too much space and isn't collapsed by default. And most importantly, doesn't highlight the highly-voted comments in a partially-collapsed state. That was the most important feature that made comments valuable to future readers. It seems the new UI only has fully collapsed and fully expanded states. And even when expanded, the votes aren't visually scannable for highly-voted comments, so any important problems with an answer pointed out by comments will no longer be visible.

Do you want us to just edit our own opinions into other people's answers now, since comments are now much less useful to future readers for critiquing answers? They're mostly only useful for the people involved in the chat, or for capturing whole discussions. (Wow, I just used the word "chat" without thinking, but SO does have chat rooms. That's a separate feature.)

And threading isn't enabled under questions, where it would often be more useful than under answers since there are more often multiple different things address about a new question. (But please don't do that until at least changing the layout to something more like the old system.)

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    This deserves more upvotes. @Peter also deserves to be paid for doing SO’s job. Or, SO: if you want volunteer help, then stop acting like a faceless uncaring corporation!
    Randall
    –  Randall
    2025-10-01 14:02:27 +00:00
    Commented Oct 1 at 14:02
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Going to add myself to the list, but disagree with many and say they measured the right primary metric, but then completely drew the wrong conclusion. Measuring comments is the right thing to do, but more comments is by itself bad.

You measured that more comments were made, but based on what you're saying you didn't measure any positive effect.

  • Effect on new users: Negative, because more users will write chatty comments and then be told off. Plus from first hand experience when teaching at a coding bootcamp new users were already struggling with getting 'distracted' by comments on the Question. I literally had to 'teach' students to skip over the comments to the answers... And I have seen this happen to junior devs on my team as well where they copied a bad answer from the comments (the first answer they saw reading from the top).
  • Effect on active users: Probably positive... maybe? Not sure of that though, because reading through the comments has gotten harder, but arguably there are some positives. If there is any group that might benefit it's maybe this group, because this is the group that should be engaging with comments, and they are the group that understand that comments should be ignored most of the time. But then again, ignoring comments has gotten marginally harder.
  • Effect on power users: Negative, because they will have to spend more time cleaning up comments.
  • Effect on ad revenue: Probably zero or negative, as the quality of the information has become worse, thus probably causing Stack Overflow pages to rank more negatively eventually on Google compared to more focused resources like blogs.

Is there an indication that the quality of posts went up? If it's shown that e.g. the number of edits to posts went up by the original author of the post then I would happily accept that as a proxy for the posts improving. And then maybe the negative 'comment count went up' metric might be outbalanced by 'post quality'.

The claim:

increase the number of comments, while avoiding any overall negative impact

Is just completely absurd. An increase in the number of comments is a measured negative impact. It might be a worthy sacrifice to make, but by itself it's a negative impact.

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    Increased comments would be basically fine if most of them were in subthreads that collapsed (or at least a lot less bad in some but not all the ways you mentioned). But AFAICT, collapsing subthreads isn't something the current UI can do, only all or nothing, so it's far worse than the previous in not supporting partial collapse with only highest-voted comments shows. (And wasting a lot of vertical space vs. the old layout.) If anything this is going to make moderators want to nuke comments more than before, which is bad in threads where there was valuable discussion between experts.
    Peter Cordes
    –  Peter Cordes
    2025-09-26 14:15:49 +00:00
    Commented Sep 26 at 14:15
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we intend to add the updated UI to questions.

Please don't do this. The clutter under questions is too much as is; please don't encourage users to add more to it. The great thing about Stack Overflow is that you can identify if a question is similar to yours very quickly and find its solution very quickly. More comments means the good stuff is hidden under clutter.

Also, the metric used to evaluate this experiment is backwards. Increased comments is not desirable. I would actually argue that if the experiment is showing that the new UI is increasing new comments, then it should be scrapped.

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The new commenting UI saw a statistically significant higher conversion, estimated to increase monthly comments by 5-8% and introduce 2,000+ new commenters. First time commenters were more likely to comment again using the new UI, a trend that continued even as lower-rep users gained the ability to comment as a result of the parallel experiment focused on lowering reputation required for commenting

The metrics you pick are very important - and in this case a difficult but important one to gauge is - did the comments help improve the posts. In addition, how much of an effect did lower rep users having the ability to comment colour the data, and which of these repeat comments were reply to a older comment thread?

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The UI is painfully busy, on dark mode at least:

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Those grey borders around the upvote button, the reply button and the ... button are really not necessary.

Compared to the UI for the comments on questions:

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(I haven't really followed this closely, are comments on questions getting the same UI too? Yuck.)

If the goal is to encourage newbies to comment, could us oldbies retain the ability to opt out? Thanks.

EDIT Yep, simply removing the borders makes it much easier on the eyes:

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    Same on mobile in light mode. The comment UI is too busy and takes up too much space.
    chrki
    –  chrki
    2025-09-23 09:09:13 +00:00
    Commented Sep 23 at 9:09
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Designing a proper comment system should not be rocket science.

  • On the main site(s), comments are generally not important so they need to be minimized as default and given a fixed space below each post. Those interested in reading the comments may then actively expand the comment field as they want but it should not be expanded by default.

    A huge flaw in the current system is that the comment field just keeps growing and growing and you have to actively scroll past it. Very distracting and really messy. It neither helps those not interested in comments nor those who are - the latter can't find anything because there are no threaded comments, just a big blob of random crap, possibly with some interesting comments in there somewhere.

  • Comments should be threaded. Although having multiple discussions in comment thread mostly makes sense for the meta sites where there should actually be discussions present. Not so much for the main sites as of today, but it could add extra value if allowed, see "Are more comments a bad thing?" at the bottom of this post.

    This means that each thread can set a topic and then comments below that thread need to follow that topic or otherwise get deleted. This means that moderators can easier get rid of off-topic debates instead of as of now with the current dysfunctional system: migrate everything to chat & throw the baby out with the bath water.

  • This isn't social media, so things like user avatars, voting on comments, "likes" etc is just bloat. It shouldn't be there. The size of buttons etc must be minimized so that each comment takes up as little space as possible. Meaning you need to place such things at the side of each comment, not above/below it. The current system is fine: "John Doe Commented Aug 28 at 18:22" where the name John Doe is a hyperlink to that account. And then buttons like expand/reply/flag/link etc can be implemented to the left of the comment just like in the current system.

  • Obviously comments should be labelled with correct and exact dates, not just "John Doe posted this two days ago", that's unhelpful.

  • Making it possible to link to individual comments is necessary.

  • Code formatting inside comments would be a nice to have feature, for very minimal snippets, just 5 LoC or so.

And that's it.


I also wish to give some emphasis on this:

Are more comments a bad thing?
Not necessarily, if that the UI is designed so that comments don't distract from the actual post. It can often be very interesting to follow an on-topic technical discussion between several experts discussing the contents of a post. That is something that adds a lot of extra value to the site! It adds value for newbies and experts all alike and attracts them to the site. Sometimes comments can be more valuable than the post itself, depending on the reader's background.

But again, it needs to be implemented so that it doesn't distract from the post itself or worse, take over the post completely.

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    "A huge flaw in the current system is that the comment field just keeps growing and growing" - not quite true. On meta maybe it does, but on the main sites, in both old and new UI, if there's >5 comments it collapses and shows the 5 most upvoted (and in the old UI, but not the new UI, it was designed so the best comments stood out)
    user56reinstatemonica8
    –  user56reinstatemonica8
    2025-09-02 16:13:51 +00:00
    Commented Sep 2 at 16:13
  • @user56reinstatemonica8 Ah yeah it might work differently between the main site and meta. But that's a very strange mechanic anyway - it looks as if those most upvoted comments are referring to each other since all comments in between are gone. Threaded comments would partially solve that.
    Lundin
    –  Lundin
    2025-09-03 06:16:16 +00:00
    Commented Sep 3 at 6:16
  • It's a good feature because good comments are usually referring to the question or answer, and it's most important that important notes like "this is part of the core library since 9.8.0" or "this is a security risk if you also use popularLib 1.2.3" are easily noticeable to someone scanning the page. In the rarer event a comment replying to a comment is valuable, it takes seconds to expand the comments and see the context (and highlighting the valuable reply prompts the user to do so; long comment sections are usually dross).
    user56reinstatemonica8
    –  user56reinstatemonica8
    2025-09-03 08:23:22 +00:00
    Commented Sep 3 at 8:23
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    I'm not saying threaded comments couldn't be made to work, but making the one valuable comment stand out to someone scanning the page is more important than perfectly threading a worthless long argument about semantics or an ancient debate about whether a question was on topic etc etc. Personally, I'd quite like to see threaded comments done well: with the goal of making the dross easier to skip (not to increase the dross and spin it as "engagement"). e.g. maybe moderators could re-organise comment threading, and move tedious-but-valid arguments to collapsed threads if not to chat.
    user56reinstatemonica8
    –  user56reinstatemonica8
    2025-09-03 08:30:18 +00:00
    Commented Sep 3 at 8:30
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    Well, now that so many people have been forced out of NASA, even if it is rocket science, you shouldn’t have any trouble finding one! :-D
    Randall
    –  Randall
    2025-10-01 14:06:54 +00:00
    Commented Oct 1 at 14:06
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The new commenting UI saw a statistically significant higher conversion, estimated to increase monthly comments by 5-8% and introduce 2,000+ new commenters. First time commenters were more likely to comment again using the new UI, a trend that continued even as lower-rep users gained the ability to comment as a result of the parallel experiment focused on lowering reputation required for commenting.

We don't need that much more comments, we need clarifications about the answer/question, not spams! e.g. "+1", "-1" (the privilege to comment everywhere)

  • Bringing a complete editor to comments

Noooo. I don't prefer that much space. There's already a markdown viewer for the users to preview their comments before they publish. Also it takes too much space for mobiles.

Separating comment voting privilege from comment flagging privilege. This means that commenting voting will be a standard feature regardless of rep.

biased voting will happen there

Also, the new UI seems way larger than it should be (How can I revert the style/layout changes to comments?)

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Here's a UserScript to remove the comments from the answer to reduce noise on the screen.

// ==UserScript==
// @name         Remove comments from containers
// @match        *://stackoverflow.com/*
// @version       1.0
// ==/UserScript==
(() => {
  const idPattern = /^follow-ups-container-\d+$/;

  const purge = (root = document) => {
    root.querySelectorAll('div[id^="follow-ups-container-"]')
      .forEach(el => {
        if (idPattern.test(el.id)) {el.remove();}
      });
  }

  purge();
})();
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Apart from everything else: Threaded comments are a huge improvement.

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    I agree, but several further improvements are sorely needed. (1) We need to be able to downvote comments, not just upvote them, so people can see which responses are the most accurate and useful. (2) We should sort comments so the highest-scoring comments show at the top, so that the first thing the reader sees is the most accurate and useful information, instead of whoever responded first. (3) If someone asks a question in a comment then they should be able to mark a particular response as the correct answer which helped them the most. (4) Comments should have tags so that people can find ...
    kaya3
    –  kaya3
    2025-09-01 14:14:35 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 14:14
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    ... comments related to their areas of interest, and weigh in with their own expertise. (5) When questions asked in the comments have answers written in other comment threads elsewhere, the community should be able to vote to mark one comment as a duplicate of another. Community members with sufficient expertise in the topic of the comment could perhaps be granted the privilege to do this unilaterally. (6) Comment threads should be split off into separate pages, so each thread appears on just one page, allowing people to find a page with exactly what they're searching for and no clutter.
    kaya3
    –  kaya3
    2025-09-01 14:17:15 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 14:17
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    "Threaded comments are a huge improvement." - Yes, for chatters. Not for a site that is (or used to be) squarely focused on Q&A.
    IInspectable
    –  IInspectable
    2025-09-01 15:17:56 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 15:17
  • Wow! 9 downvotes against threaded comments for the sake of not encouraging chatter is a valid point, unless you see the comment chatter on meta which is hard to follow without threads. Anyway, why would I engage on StackOverflow at all? After > 10 years I'm still a noob < 1000 rep so I'll just leave it to the experts ;-/
    Ingo Steinke
    –  Ingo Steinke
    2025-09-01 16:22:02 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 16:22
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    You're right that threaded comments are an improvement, but together with enlarged spaces around the comments it's still a net negative. The problem is that the distance between questions and answers increases a lot. And don't let yourself be distracted from rep. Engage if you want to engage and don't if you don't want to. There is no law (like gravity) that one design is better than another, just lots of opinions and stats. All the users together will decide how well the new design is, by using or not using it.
    NoDataDumpNoContribution
    –  NoDataDumpNoContribution
    2025-09-01 16:29:47 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 16:29
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    Agreed. Sometimes I would go through old comments and respond as I'm reading them, but then realize someone I replied to commented again and it sort of sounds like I replied to the newer comment, so then the dilemma is, should I bother editing, or just leave it? or if the grace period is up, should I bother deleting and reposting? Even worse if someone else replied in the meantime. Threading should avoid that, at least for the most part.
    wjandrea
    –  wjandrea
    2025-09-01 20:25:48 +00:00
    Commented Sep 1 at 20:25
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    @IInspectable Your forget that the Q&A format is used for meta too, where discussions like this one is the main thing. Threaded comments is desperately needed on the meta sites.
    Lundin
    –  Lundin
    2025-09-02 08:04:42 +00:00
    Commented Sep 2 at 8:04
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    @Lundin to bad it only comes for SO main then. Meta doesn't have enough users for SO Inc. to care with that change.
    cafce25
    –  cafce25
    2025-09-02 08:07:48 +00:00
    Commented Sep 2 at 8:07
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    @cafce25 SO is the guinea pig/alpha test server though, receiving all features first before the rest of the network. Because doing alpha testing on the live server of the company's flagship product is a great idea.
    Lundin
    –  Lundin
    2025-09-02 09:08:28 +00:00
    Commented Sep 2 at 9:08
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    I wouldn't be so sure: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/434861/…
    cafce25
    –  cafce25
    2025-09-02 09:24:44 +00:00
    Commented Sep 2 at 9:24
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    @Lundin That's often, but not always, true. The easiest counter-example I can come up with is the "new" editor, which was enabled as an experiment for answer editing on MSE and MSO prior to being used anywhere else on the public SE sites, but was actively used on Teams prior to that "experiment".
    Makyen
    –  Makyen Mod
    2025-09-02 17:24:21 +00:00
    Commented Sep 2 at 17:24
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    @Makyen I believe it was also used on Discussions, which was part of SO. But now removed since it was a very poorly designed fiasco. Much like the new editor. Much like the new comment proposal.
    Lundin
    –  Lundin
    2025-09-03 06:12:32 +00:00
    Commented Sep 3 at 6:12
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    I think threaded comments are good. I frequently see OPs asking for clarification that's never edited back into the answer (even though it probably should be), and being able to follow the chain without manually tracking username tags is a nice QoL improvement
    GammaGames
    –  GammaGames
    2025-09-05 16:17:52 +00:00
    Commented Sep 5 at 16:17
  • @Lundin Yes, I believe it was used in Discussions, and, over time, has been used in multiple other places on the SE Network. However, what we were discussing is SO main "receiving all features first" and I provided the "Stacks Editor" as an example where that wasn't the case. The "Stacks Editor" was alpha tested in Teams in mid to late 2020. It was then alpha tested as an opt-in on MSE and MSO answers at the beginning of 2021. Discussions didn't exist until two and a half years later in mid 2023, about three years after the initial Teams alpha test.
    Makyen
    –  Makyen Mod
    2025-09-06 19:05:53 +00:00
    Commented Sep 6 at 19:05
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I think an alternative to the “normal” comment could be implemented, which would be the “private” comment. This would only be visible to the OP, and the commenter could use it to express gratitude, give advice unrelated to requesting modifications to the question, and anything else that is only of interest to them. This would expand the capacity for commenting without saturating the space of the original post. PS: It might be a good idea for these private comment threads to be able to be deleted by either party...

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    Interesting idea, but it has a lot of problems. Advice related to the general subject-matter they're working on is potentially useful to future readers. (And they're probably only going to be digging through comments if the question or answer aligns fairly well with what they're looking for.) More importantly, it could let users harass others without being publicly visible. If the target of the comment saw it and left without flagging it for a mod, a serial harasser could drive away multiple users before this pattern was finally noticed. Chat rooms exist, and handle most of this.
    Peter Cordes
    –  Peter Cordes
    2025-09-10 04:58:09 +00:00
    Commented Sep 10 at 4:58
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    Example A) “Hello Mr. X, welcome. When replying to another user's comment, add @username so that they are notified of your reply.” B) “Hello Mr. X, welcome. If a response solved your problem, remember to mark it as accepted. If it didn't, but it contributed to the solution or clarified some kind of doubt, give it a positive vote.” C) "Hello Mr. X, welcome. To ensure that the code in your question is properly formatted, write it in your favorite editor, aligned to the left margin, then paste it into the question, select it, and click the {} button."
    Marce Puente
    –  Marce Puente
    2025-09-10 09:47:26 +00:00
    Commented Sep 10 at 9:47
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    These are three examples of comments that could be private (some even automatic until the user reaches a certain reputation), with regard to harassing comments, if the recipient does not report them... We can't blame the comment format; the same thing can happen in a private chat room, and by the way, it's not practical and in fact isn't done to, create a chat room to comment on a question/answer.
    Marce Puente
    –  Marce Puente
    2025-09-10 09:47:31 +00:00
    Commented Sep 10 at 9:47
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    Comments encouraging voting or accept is discouraged on Stack Overflow. And for the "teach new users" examples, if people can't see someone else has already made the same suggestion, it'll get duplicated. Works much better when people can upvote an existing comment, so the OP can see that multiple people agree with a suggestion. Re: chat room: when a comment thread has gotten off-topic enough that it's probably no longer interesting to the same audience as the answer, I do sometimes click "move to chat" and clean up my earlier comments. Threading should make off-topic threads less of a problem
    Peter Cordes
    –  Peter Cordes
    2025-09-10 16:51:42 +00:00
    Commented Sep 10 at 16:51

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