What happens if a Python script invokes an external app :) ?
just curious :P
On 16 May 2016 at 10:37, Andrew Ferguson 500
<andrewferguson500 at gmail.com> wrote:
> One thing to note is that some schools (such as the one I go to) don't
> permit running any new applications, but do permit running python programs.
> Therefore I think it would always be a good idea to have the raw python
> files available so that schools with access to python but with no way to run
> built executables can use the programs.
>>>> On 16 May 2016, at 10:27, Andy Crook <andy.crook at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sadly our IT is run at county level who assess every suggestion and get back
> to us. I guess by expensive they mean technician time to dedicate to
> creating the custom image with all the necessary restrictions in place, then
> deploying it with an install of virtualbox. A couple of years ago I was told
> we can't have Blender installed as it would require python. Go figure.
>> I asked for Mu to be installed on all pc's months ago. They were quick to
> put it on the list of jobs to be done. It's not done yet. I get the scary
> feeling that microbit will fall flat on its face here as we won't be able to
> use them in any capacity.
>> I was thinking for next year I should tell all CS students to get a
> raspberry pi and an HDMI to VGA lead to connect to our monitors, so at least
> they can use the device properly. However, that's not allowed as they
> wouldn't be our gear, so not PAT tested etc. Rock and a hard place.
>> However, this is getting a bit doom 'n' gloom. I hope things eventually sort
> out but for me progress seems glacial.
>> On 16 May 2016 at 10:15, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org> wrote:
>>>> Andy,
>>>> Your email is a perfect example of the sort of conversations I've been
>> having with teachers.
>>>> VirtualBox (https://www.virtualbox.org/) is a free VM from Oracle. If
>> you're being told virtualization is too expensive then I'd push back
>> hard. It doesn't need to be.
>>>> That this sort of thing is annoying both developers, teachers and
>> students is, in the long run, a good thing (tm) since people will try to
>> fix it (where "fix" is likely to be both a technical and
>> "organisational" solution).
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> N.
>>>> On 16/05/16 10:06, Andy Crook wrote:
>> > School IT is a massive problem. I teach computer science and the
>> > controlled assessments require linux usage this time. We don't have any
>> > linux boxes, won't get any, can't install any VM (it's too 'expensive'!)
>> > and aren't allowing kids to bring in anything of their own.
>> >
>> > On windows, they aren't able to use a terminal or run executables. So
>> > I'm just saying, if anything makes things easier to depoly and use
>> > without any rights so much the better.
>> >
>> > On 16 May 2016 at 09:31, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org>> > <mailto:ntoll at ntoll.org>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 16/05/16 09:18, David Whale wrote:
>> > > I think it's not really how schools organise their IT that is the
>> > > problem. It's us developers who assume that *everyone else* is
>> > happy
>> > > with spending hours downloading all sorts of things and building
>> > > packages from source.
>> > >
>> > > I actually take sides with Laura Dixon on this one.
>> > >
>> > > Why should I have to download a program in order to install some
>> > other
>> > > program?
>> > >
>> > > I don't think we're there yet as an industry. If we want to engage
>> > with
>> > > schools and teachers, we have to have some better best-practices
>> > that we
>> > > can all follow to make it easier and more accessible for them.
>> > >
>> > > Another one to add to the 'lunchtime beer and chat' agenda ;-)
>> > >
>> > > David
>> > >
>> >
>> > Oh I'm totally with Laura and you on this. But let's be honest here,
>> > school IT is *also* a huge problem. I've spent hours talking to
>> > teachers
>> > who vent about not being able to install things because of
>> > bureaucratic
>> > reasons. Note - this is not the same problem as venting because
>> > installation is complicated, the IT infrastructure issue is because
>> > of
>> > ineffective leadership and bureaucracy.
>> >
>> > Both should be tackled, but I agree with you 100% that making things
>> > easy to install is important and, importantly, it's something we
>> > developers can help with a lot easier than, say, fixing shonky
>> > school IT
>> > infrastructure.
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> > N.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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