Talk:Israeli settler violence
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civilian casualties
[edit]This paragraph is misleading. Thoses numbers include civilians killed by the IDF etc. There should some breakdown of how many of those were killed by settler violence, which is the subject of the article. I haven't researched anything, but if there for e.g. 2 people killed by settler violence and 187 killed by the IDF (Pretty likely since there are a lot of people killed by the IDF) that is serious misinformation. That would be the equivalent of me putting a paragraph in Peter Schmeichel's page that together with Messi they have 758 career goals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.179.139.53 (talk) 18:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
The Swedish woman's name
[edit]On the wiki page, it's shown as:
Tove Johannson
The correct name is:
Tove Johansson
Sources:
Swedish human rights worker viciously attacked by Israeli settler
Swedish human rights worker viciously attacked by Jewish extremists in Hebron | The Electronic Intifada Equalness1 (talk) 03:04, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
Edit request 28 November 2025
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The final sentence of the article needs clarification that the figures refer to *West Bank* Palestinian deaths, not total Palestinian deaths. The full figure including Gaza (as could be wrongly inferred) is far higher and still not complete.
Not sure of the ideal phrasing, but have added a suggestion
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| − | By January 2025, the Palestinian Ministry of Health stated that at least 870 Palestinians, including 177 children, had been killed by settlers and the IDF since the 7 October attacks. | + | By January 2025, the Palestinian Ministry of Health stated that at least 870 Palestinians, including 177 children, had been killed by settlers and the IDF in the West Bank since the 7 October attacks. |
blacksand (talk) 09:52, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
Done Thank you for that clarification! Lova Falk (talk) 11:42, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
Edit request 8 August 2026
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Updating developments in the state of settler violence in Israel with a landmark supreme court case.
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| − | After the war began, the settlers "have acted with near-impunity," wrote BBC News in May 2024. | + | After the war began, the settlers "have acted with near-impunity," wrote BBC News in May 2024. In June 2025, the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) and Bimkom – Planners for Planning Rights petitioned the Supreme Court on behalf of Palestinian farmers from Wadi al-Far'a in the Jordan Valley, who had been blocked from reaching their land since October 2023 by settler Moshe Sharvit and his unauthorized outpost; in March 2026 the Court issued an interim order requiring the army to remove Sharvit and those acting on his behalf from the land. |
~2026-43599-54 (talk) 20:22, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want made. ~ crtbob (complaints • contribs) 20:27, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
Edit request 9 August 2026
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Credible source added to previous requested edit
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| − | After the war began, the settlers | + | After the war began, the settlers "have acted with near-impunity," wrote BBC News in May 2024. In June 2025, the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) and [[Bimkom|Bimkom – Planners for Planning Rights]] petitioned the Supreme Court on behalf of Palestinian farmers from Wadi al-Far'a in the Jordan Valley, who had been blocked from reaching their land since October 2023 by settler Moshe Sharvit and his unauthorized outpost; in March 2026 the Court issued an interim order requiring the army to remove Sharvit and those acting on his behalf from the land. |
~2026-43599-54 (talk) 09:01, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
Note: for future reviewers, the source cited is https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-889760. The {{textdiff}} template is broken and hides any reftags. Alpha Beta Delta Lambda (talk) 10:42, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
Done And more references added.Saippuakauppias ⇄ 21:03, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
Article name
[edit]I propose the article to be renamed Israeli settler terrorism. It fulfils all the criteria of the definition of terrorism. Saippuakauppias ⇄ 19:51, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
- I agree. Today’s New York Times has a detailed article about a large group of influential Israelis, including retired military and government officials, who signed a letter in strong opposition to what they describe as “Jewish terrorism” and “ethnic cleansing” directed against Palestinian civilians on the West Bank. NightHeron (talk) 05:18, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- Strong disagree. While some settler violence would be widely called terrorism, such a change would dramatically narrow the scope, and in many cases would go against our policy on contentious labels per MOS:TERRORIST BobFromBrockley (talk) 05:30, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- The New York Times article and the letter from prominent Israelis that’s described there provide RS for the use of the word “terrorism”. We’re not talking about sporadic acts of violence or acts of violence with no coordinated purpose. The clear purpose of the settler violence is to drive out the Palestinians by terrorizing them.
- Concerning consistency with Wikipedia practice, note that Islamic terrorism and Jewish terrorism are article titles. NightHeron (talk) 06:08, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- Note that the NYT does not call settler violence terrorism in its own voice; it says that some liberal generals consider some of it as such. When using its own voice, NYT talks about “settler violence”. That’s because it’s aware that terrorism is a contentious label that should only be used by a responsible publication – or an encyclopedia – when there is overwhelming consensus, as in the case of Hamas. Regardless, all terrorism is violence but not all violence is terrorism. Thus even if there was overwhelming consensus that some settler violence constitutes terrorism, there would still be considerable settler violence that would not reach that threshold: if this article was exclusively about terrorism, we would have to remove that. (In fact the article would become a constant back-and-forth as editors with different thresholds included or excluded borderline cases...) There is nothing to stop this article including terrorist incidents and describing them as such - just as there is nothing stopping us including settler terrorism in other articles about terrorism, such as Jewish terrorism. For comparison, Sectarian violence has a section of historical examples which include terrorist incidents but not only terrorist incidents. Sectarian violence among Muslims includes some terrorist incidents but is not named “Muslim terrorism against Muslims”; it overlaps with Islamic terrorism but is not the same article. BobFromBrockley (talk) 14:53, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- Dictionary.com defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives.” Could you be specific about which of the violent acts described in this article you believe are not acts of terrorism motivated by the political and ideological objective of driving out the Palestinians? NightHeron (talk) 03:33, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- Note that the NYT does not call settler violence terrorism in its own voice; it says that some liberal generals consider some of it as such. When using its own voice, NYT talks about “settler violence”. That’s because it’s aware that terrorism is a contentious label that should only be used by a responsible publication – or an encyclopedia – when there is overwhelming consensus, as in the case of Hamas. Regardless, all terrorism is violence but not all violence is terrorism. Thus even if there was overwhelming consensus that some settler violence constitutes terrorism, there would still be considerable settler violence that would not reach that threshold: if this article was exclusively about terrorism, we would have to remove that. (In fact the article would become a constant back-and-forth as editors with different thresholds included or excluded borderline cases...) There is nothing to stop this article including terrorist incidents and describing them as such - just as there is nothing stopping us including settler terrorism in other articles about terrorism, such as Jewish terrorism. For comparison, Sectarian violence has a section of historical examples which include terrorist incidents but not only terrorist incidents. Sectarian violence among Muslims includes some terrorist incidents but is not named “Muslim terrorism against Muslims”; it overlaps with Islamic terrorism but is not the same article. BobFromBrockley (talk) 14:53, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support, as @NightHeron said, it's being used by RS and its an apt description. Assaultim (talk) 23:35, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose renaming. A dictionary is not how we name articles. MOS:TERRORIST says terrorism is a value-laden label. We should not use it in Wikipedia's own voice unless reliable sources widely use it for the subject, and then we use in-text attribution. A title has no attribution.
- We also should not go incident by incident and say what is "not terrorism." That is WP:OR. The test is WP:COMMONNAME: do most independent English RS call this topic "Israeli settler terrorism"? I don't see that. The NYT piece cited here uses "settler violence" in its own voice.
- Jewish terrorism and Islamic terrorism are the common names of those topics. They are not a reason to rename this page. The similar descriptive title on the other side is Palestinian political violence.
- Some incidents can be called terrorism with attribution, or covered at Jewish terrorism. For a rename we need a formal RM and COMMONNAME evidence. Until then the current title should stay. Eliezer1987 (talk) 08:18, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- There are certainly RS that use the words “terrorism” and “terror” in editorial voice to refer to the settler violence, for example, the Atlantic Council (see ) and the Times of Israel (see ). According to the Times of Israel, “Such offenses are classified by Israeli security bodies as terrorism.”
- Concerning OR, I was responding to an editor who claimed, based on their own OR, that much of the settler violence in the article could not be classified as terrorist. I merely wanted to know which acts of settler violence they had in mind. NightHeron (talk) 12:11, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for the sources, but two of them do not settle the title. WP:COMMONNAME asks what most independent English reliable sources call this topic, not whether the word appears somewhere. A think tank dispatch and one news report are not that kind of evidence.
- The times of Israel line you quote says these offenses "are classified by Israeli security bodies as terrorism". That is attribution to those bodies, not the paper's own voice, and headlines are not a good guide either (WP:HEADLINES). MOS:TERRORIST asks us to use such a label with in-text attribution. An article title cannot carry attribution.
- On OR: my point was not that most of this violence is not terrorism. My point is that we should not sort incidents ourselves in either direction. We should follow what reliable sources call the topic as a whole, and i do not see that most of them use "settler terrorism".
- If you think the sourcing is there, please open a formal RM with a source survey. Then we can compare the two titles side by side and let consensus decide. Eliezer1987 (talk) 16:16, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose as non neutral. The fact that the English Wikipedia doesn't even describe Hamas as terrorists should put a pin in this. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:11, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
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